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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#331026: Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:47:22 PM

[up]The question is which scenario are we scapegoating Charles for? The treatment working or the treatment not working?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331027: Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:49:59 PM

Clearly Trump was following my tweets.

But yes, giving it this early is weird, especially after their experimental treatment.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjX-R1cXcAAcyAT?format=jpg&name=medium

Here's a letter from his doctor on a confirmed account.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#331028: Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:00:59 PM

I'm no doctor (shocking, I know), but giving a frail patient an experimental treatment sounds a bit iffy to me.

Do not obey in advance.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#331029: Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:02:58 PM

Trump being a test subject for remdesevir is the only remotely positive contribution he has ever made to society.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331030: Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:03:54 PM

Eh, remdesivir is pretty tested now. It doesn't do MUCH but it does SOMETHING.

Which is more than most medicine for Covid.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#331031: Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:06:03 PM

Hence the “remotely” qualifier.

Disgusted, but not surprised
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#331032: Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:34:24 PM

Cleveland, Ohio officials say 11 people who organized the Trump/Biden debate on Tuesday have tested positive for COVID-19.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#331033: Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:35:54 PM

What a shit show.

Do not obey in advance.
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#331034: Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:44:02 PM

A case study on how you can be the most careful in the world, but the instant someone too stupid or too malicious to take reasonable precautions shows up, all your effort is wasted.

It's been fun.
Robrecht Your friendly neighbourhood Regent from The Netherlands Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Your friendly neighbourhood Regent
#331035: Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:44:59 PM

Ya know... A week ago, the Netherlands finally realized that Yes, we are in the middle of a second wave because we reduced safety measures too early.

At the same time, the situation in the US was finally starting to get a little better.

And I remember thinking to myself 'Oh hell... A month from now we're going to exceed the US in per capita new cases and deaths.'

I'm searching my apartment for a monkey's paw with one curled up finger, is what I'm saying.

Angry gets shit done.
TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#331036: Oct 2nd 2020 at 11:00:38 PM

[up][up] No.

This shows what happens when you follow the rules and what happens when they aren't followed.

Trump and his goons brought this down upon themselves when they ignored masks, held super-spreader events, and tried to discredit all efforts to fight the pandemic at every turn, and open the country up non-stop during its lockdown.

What happened?

"The Masque of Red Death" happened.

And now they will pay for it.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#331037: Oct 2nd 2020 at 11:13:02 PM

Biden’s campaign is now insisting that the veep debate have the candidates 12 feet apart to protect Kamala.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331038: Oct 2nd 2020 at 11:15:52 PM

I don't honestly expect much from this other than perhaps a few being incapacitated for a couple of weeks and even then. Unlike the vast majority of Americans, they will receive the best healthcare and attention in the world because they're the elite.

And this is the exact thing they're wanting to deny others.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
#331039: Oct 2nd 2020 at 11:17:24 PM

Sure, they receive the best of healthcare but that didn't stop Herman Cain from dying.

It didn't stop him from tweeting as well, sure, but Twitter being able to let the restless spirits of the dead use it as a platform should be lauded rather than criticized.

Edited by Resileafs on Oct 2nd 2020 at 2:17:40 PM

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#331040: Oct 2nd 2020 at 11:29:46 PM

Trump is already at a disadvantage by being both old and in poor physical health. By the reports we've seen he's also experiencing worse symptoms than his wife. And like [up] said Herman Cain also got great medical attention yet still died.

Even if Trump does recover there is a long list of reported long-term health effects to contend with.

Lazlo74 from A tropical hell-hole Since: May, 2018
#331041: Oct 2nd 2020 at 11:31:26 PM

If there's one thing I learned from all of this, it's that many Americans take the concept of individual freedom a bit too literally. Like Trump and the GOP, these anti maskers and Qultists want to do whatever they please but don't want to be held accountable for their actions in fear of looking weak.

After all, if these fucktards still deny its existence or don't want to take precautions even after their messiah gets down with it pretty bad, then I'm convinced America's stupidity and selfishness epidemic is far more dangerous and widespread than any contagious disease.

Scaled seeker
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#331042: Oct 2nd 2020 at 11:31:32 PM

Trump hasn't been taking care of himself, is old, and also is under a lot of stress. So, yeah, even in-context, he's in a pretty bad situation. I expect him to live, but this might actually be pretty detrimental.

Leviticus 19:34
raziel365 Anka Aquila from South of the Far West (Veteran) Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
ryanasaurus0077 Since: Jul, 2009
#331045: Oct 2nd 2020 at 11:47:52 PM

In Communist China, you catch COVID. In Republican America, COVID catches YOU!!

In b4 jokes about how Putin called about wanting his political jokes back.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#331046: Oct 2nd 2020 at 11:55:00 PM

[up][up] The Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment doesn't stop being a thing just because we don't like the person bad things are happening to.

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#331047: Oct 2nd 2020 at 11:58:19 PM

[up] Herman Cain is already on that list, in the Real Life section.

Just pointing it out in case things take a right turn for the worse.

nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#331048: Oct 3rd 2020 at 1:26:48 AM

The Hill: ICE launching billboard campaign highlighting 'at-large immigration violators'

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) announced Friday it is launching a billboard campaign in Pennsylvania highlighting immigrants who have been labeled "at-large immigration violators."

The unprecedented campaign, taking place in one of the nation's most hotly contested swing states, will highlight immigrants who were released by local law enforcement under so-called sanctuary policies and ICE says, "may pose a public safety threat."

ICE is basing its campaign on the claim that local agencies "fail to honor immigration detainers" it issues and release "serious criminal offenders," in turn hindering its efforts to protect the public.

astrokitty Happiness is a cup of tea from Somewhere Out There Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Happiness is a cup of tea
#331049: Oct 3rd 2020 at 1:30:55 AM

[up]Yet another reason to dissolve ICE and send all the people part of it to prison.

Somebody once told me the world was macaroni, I took a bite out of a tree
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#331050: Oct 3rd 2020 at 1:58:05 AM

About why only Trump's staff seems to have been affected, I suspect Air Force One had a lot to do with that, with people being in close proximity in a closed air system. That studio, in contrast, was much larger, practically empty, and presumably well ventilated, while Wallace and Biden kept proper distance.

And as mentioned before, just being near someone infected does not guarantee you will get it too. They could just have been lucky.

Is being taken to the Walter Reed Army Medical Center a bad thing? From your reactions I gather it is.

Edited by Redmess on Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:01:47 AM

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times

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