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#331001: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:46:44 PM

I know this is premature and I'm not hoping anything happens to him but assuming trump uh doesn't make it...Will pence just take over for a month. I know people have already voted so will any votes for trump now be pences votes

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#331002: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:50:53 PM

Biden gave a speech a couple of weeks ago that that Varshini Prakash of the Sunrise Movement praised as one of his best. She was on Lovett or Leave It and was very happy that Biden was movable on a lot of issues, specifically moving up his decarbonization timeline by 15 years, a vast increase in his green job and infrastructure plan, and other things.

She also acknowledges that there are some things he's been more reticent on such as fracking because of political considerations, and wants to ensure he wins nonetheless so that climate activists can continue to have a voice in the White House and work on those remaining issues with Biden.

Imca (Veteran)
#331003: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:54:20 PM

Honestly that last part is the real sticker.... Biden will at least LISTEN to the idea that we are poisoning the planet, and maybe that is a bad thing...

Trump and the Republicians wont even consider it. :/

Even though it was a republican who started the EPA in the first place... and polution used to be fairly bi-partisian.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#331004: Oct 2nd 2020 at 7:05:27 PM

The thing with climate change is that it requires massive, nationally and internationally coordinated, government action. And conservatives are opposed to large-scale government action in areas other than the military, the police, and violations of civil liberties.

So they had a vested interest in denying climate change, because action against it invalidates their whole worldview of government being mire hindrance than help.

Edited by Galadriel on Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:05:37 AM

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#331005: Oct 2nd 2020 at 7:20:34 PM

[up][up][up][up]Effectively, yes. While the GOP could nominate a new canditate to serve at the top of the ticket, its very late to select anyone else. If Trump dies, Pence will become President until at least January 20th. If Biden wins, he hands power over at that point. If the Republican ticket wins, the most likely scenario is that their Electors are directed to vote for Pence.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#331006: Oct 2nd 2020 at 7:23:00 PM

On Weimar Syndrome, the SPD loathed the KPD as much as the other way around. Neither party were interested in cooperation. The fact the KPD gets all the shit for it is obnoxious, because its not like the SPD were exactly willing to work together either.

The SPD didn't consistently vote the same way the Nazis did just to sabotage things. They also didn't immediately put the boot on people post-war like the KPD did.

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
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#331007: Oct 2nd 2020 at 7:24:34 PM

Kellyanne Conway has tested positive.

She was beaten to breaking this news by her daughter, who made a series of TikToks disclosing her mother's symptoms first, and then revealing she had COVID-19.

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#331008: Oct 2nd 2020 at 7:29:49 PM

[up][up] If the SPD hadn't shot all the non-Stalinists, they wouldn't have had to deal with Thalmann, now would they?

Also, the KPD didn't side with the Nazis, for a variety of reasons such as because the Nazis purged them basically as soon as Hitler got appointed chancellor and they weren't a legal party. For that matter, the post war actions of the KPD remnants are irrelevant to their pre-war actions. Especially as there was a bit of a shift in the surviving membership, ie a lot of them were the ones who fled to Moscow.

Anyway, the point is that its hypocritical to assume the Left is the only faction that doesn't want to do any outreach to the moderates. Its not like the moderates are doing a particularly good job of reaching out to the left. Bringing up Weimar makes it worse, because in that case the Hard Left had a very good reason to be suspicious of the Center-Left.

[up] Oh dear. And the white house is still refusing to make mask wearing mandatory...

Edited by AzurePaladin on Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:35:57 AM

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#331009: Oct 2nd 2020 at 7:30:46 PM

[up][up] She was also at the ACB nomination on Saturday. Looking more and more like that was at superspreader event.

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#331010: Oct 2nd 2020 at 7:39:46 PM

I saw a few pages back someone mentioned how ACB is safe since she already had COVID, so I'll just take this moment to remind people that it is possible to catch COVID multiple times. Not that I expect Mitch to let that stop him ramming through the nomination process even if everyone involved is infected.

Still, it'd be grand if the vote fails because enough Republicans are too sick to vote.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#331011: Oct 2nd 2020 at 7:40:21 PM

[up][up][up] That’s the thing. The Democrats (party and supporters both) have a tendency to ignore or act against issues that are a high priority to the left, and then turn around in election years and yell at them for being insufficiently supportive. Maybe if you want them to vote for you, it would help to try giving a crap about them and the things they find important?

I’m talking about the Obama Administration on things like drone strikes on civilians overseas, targeting whistleblowers, mass surveillance, and ever-present abuses of authority by the TSA, some of which was stuff Obama campaigned on moving away from.

I absolutely think everyone should vote for Biden because Trump is horrific. But the divide between Dems and the left is NOT just a matter of leftists being unreasonable.

Edited by Galadriel on Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:41:14 AM

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#331012: Oct 2nd 2020 at 7:46:34 PM

[up][up][up][up] Sure, if we ignore that the hard-left was trying to kill the German republic in its infancy.

The KPD very much followed the idea of "after Hitler, our turn" - only it didn't work out that way.

And that some modern-day leftists still haven't learned from that mistake annoys me to no end.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Oct 2nd 2020 at 4:49:26 PM

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#331013: Oct 2nd 2020 at 7:49:50 PM

They both declared Republics more or less simultaneously, then the SDP killed the Luxumborgists.

And then spent half their time making propaganda and fighting the Communists afterwords.

And then blamed the Communists they were just fighting for not teaming up with an offer the SDP never sent, because again, they were just actively fighting.

Its as I said. Either there aren't enough Leftists to appeal to, or there's enough that can sink an election. Pick. You cannot have both true at once.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:51:17 AM

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#331014: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:00:10 PM

Somewhat amusingly, #COVIDCaughtTrump is currently trending on Twitter.

Also here’s a fun little game of caption this drawing of Doctor Fauci doing a facepalm.

Edited by megaeliz on Oct 2nd 2020 at 11:04:10 AM

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#331015: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:01:46 PM

@Kellyanne Conway: Hell of a going away present for a job she's leaving soon.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#331016: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:13:50 PM

"Oh dear. And the white house is still refusing to make mask wearing mandatory..."

I've read somewhere that the National Security Advisor is making masks mandatory in the White House now. Which would seem to contradict what Mark Meadows said, but since when has this administration valued consistency.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#331017: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:22:54 PM

I saw a few pages back someone mentioned how ACB is safe since she already had COVID, so I'll just take this moment to remind people that it is possible to catch COVID multiple times.

It was less that she caught COVID already and more that she caught it this summer, meaning she'd likely still have temporary immunity to it following recovery, since the CDC estimated survivors generally have 1 to 3 months of immunizing antibodies.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331018: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:27:36 PM

Take note in the United States, it was not J. Edgar Hoover or the Right Wing that killed the communist party. The Communist Party in the United States was killed for two factors:

  • It turned against racial rights issues to get America involved with WW2. It previously had been against being involved due to the treaty over Poland. They apparently went overboard attacking the war then and exposed themselves as taking orders from Moscow.
  • It also was vehemently against the New Deal. The Communist Party believed that if the New Deal failed then capitalism would collapse and there would be a revolution in America.

The accelerationist bent and hatred of moderation did, in fact, undermine them with their own base.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:28:38 AM

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#331019: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:36:52 PM

[up][up] If I remember correctly, based on our understanding of other Coronaviruses, the most likely outcome will be some form of partial immunity, so that even if you do it, it will most likely be much milder.

It’s very unlikely you would fully loose any sort of immunity you might have gotten from it.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#331020: Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:06:13 PM

Chris Wallace: Wear the damn mask.

"Listen to people like Anthony Fauci, listen to people like Deborah Birx, who have been largely cut off. Listen to the independent people who do not have a political ax to grind, and I frankly don't think Scott Atlas is one of those people."

Atlas is a Fox News talking head that Trump brought onto the pandemic team because he told Trump what he wanted to hear.

Wallace also said members of Trump’s family removed their masks once they entered the debate hall on Tuesday. "A health person of the Cleveland Clinic came up to the first family when they were seated and offered them masks in case they didn’t have them, and they were waved away," he added.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#331021: Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:15:01 PM

Trump's campaign manager Bill Stepien tests positive; asserts he will still be in charge of the campaign, but will be working remotely.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331023: Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:39:19 PM

Trump is being treated with remdesivir, the drug both me and Fauci recommended.

So he's getting good if expensive care.

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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#331024: Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:41:01 PM

[up] And the american tax payers will be paying for it.

All of it.

CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#331025: Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:44:56 PM

[up]x2 Alright, so we can use you as a scapegoat if shit hits the fan.


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