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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#330976: Oct 2nd 2020 at 5:46:53 PM

Well there's no news regarding it save he does.

I mean, we have up to 2 weeks of how he responds to it.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#330977: Oct 2nd 2020 at 5:48:59 PM

@Not Knowing Biden's Policies:

For the people who don't know Biden's policies and don't have time to read them in depth, here is Joe Biden in a Nutshell and here is the short version of his policy platform.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#330978: Oct 2nd 2020 at 5:50:21 PM

[up]oh wow that's surprisingly more progressive than I expected . Restoring voting rights to former convicts especially

Edited by Xopher001 on Oct 2nd 2020 at 3:50:40 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#330979: Oct 2nd 2020 at 5:50:29 PM

I find it ridiculous people still call Never Bidens "Bernie Bros" given Bernie and his entire following have rallied around Biden.

I feel a great deal of....less than pleasant feelings to the people who want to blame the Progressive Left for everything wrong in the party.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#330980: Oct 2nd 2020 at 5:51:49 PM

[up] Because Bernie Bros refers to a especially toxic subset of his supporters who still buy into the whole "Bernie got robbed" meme and therefore promote voter apathy over fighting fascism.

It's just the newest variant of Weimar syndrome.

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
FinestArts Vampire Mouse of Mars from The North Lands Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Vampire Mouse of Mars
#330981: Oct 2nd 2020 at 5:55:12 PM

[up]

True, though it's becoming something of an artifact now. A lot of those REALLY far left types have effectively abandoned Bernie as a "traitor to the cause/revolution" or see him as a martyr who "took one for the team and sided with the enemy" or any other such thing. They basically only slightly less hate the not as far left vs the the right and far right.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#330982: Oct 2nd 2020 at 5:55:46 PM

I haven’t actually read Biden’s climate proposal, what about it is insufficient for addressing climate change?

My understanding is that it's decent but it doesn't go far enough.

Which isn't the best when we're talking about an existential threat.

Healthcare? Incrementalism has its value, despite the ACA's flaws it gave millions of people healthcare (including myself). But Climate Change needs radical action[1].

[1]= No, that doesn't mean strawmen like industrialization. [2]

[2]= That said, some of the complaints do oppose nuclear power. Which is bad but frankly not particularly important considering how long making new nuclear reactors would take. Even if they were all for it, it wouldn't matter in time.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:00:11 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#330983: Oct 2nd 2020 at 5:56:48 PM

Hell, some of Sanders' people have teamed up with The Lincoln Project, in an even more blatant Enemy Mine case, to do Latino outreach in swing states like Florida.

The majority of them are perfectly reasonable and pragmatic. But the ones that aren't are very loud.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
FinestArts Vampire Mouse of Mars from The North Lands Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Vampire Mouse of Mars
#330984: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:00:31 PM

[up]

This. It's a loud minority.

[up][up]

I don't necessarily disagree, but what Biden offers is MILES better than what Trump offers and we need SOMETHING to start and get the ball rolling. It's not just possible, but highly likely that he DOES in fact up the green project as president.

Edited by FinestArts on Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:01:14 AM

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#330985: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:02:08 PM

[up][up]Are they?

At this point I think I here things about "Bernie Bros" and "Never Biden" people from others then the "Bernie Bros" themselves.

Edited by Mio on Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:02:18 AM

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#330986: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:04:37 PM

"My understanding is that it's decent but it doesn't go far enough."

Note that article is from the summer of last year, before Biden became the nominee and revised a lot of his environmental policies.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#330987: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:07:20 PM

Listen, I loathed Biden getting it but you fight with the army you've got.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#330988: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:07:30 PM

[up][up]Including before he proposed massive investments into green energy.

[up][up][up]A lot of bots and Kremlin hirelings are involved on this front.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:07:41 AM

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#330989: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:07:38 PM

I've met some Never Bidens through friends of leftist friends, and many of them are the type who were always tepid on Bernie because they perceived him as a "damn liberal"note . Accelerationists, tankies, the occasional fundie ancom, and wannabe Reign of Terror reenactment parties, basically.

They may overlap with but are often distinct from the Cultist brand I used to talk about regarding Bernie fandom, who were interested in Bernie seemingly less for ideological reasons and more for, well, "Kpop stan" reasons. They give less of a shit about what Bernie actually thinks, and are in it more for the feeling of obsessively stanning the man like a celebrity, viciously attacking anyone they see as insulting or posing a threat to the man, regardless of what Bernie himself has stated that he wants. Often to the point that they're convinced a lot of what Bernie may say regarding party solidarity with these so-called enemies is him just lying to make some people feel better, and that as his "truest" fans, they know his true feelings and intentions. These are the kinds of Bernie Bros most likely to become Never Bidens.

Edited by AlleyOop on Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:40:31 AM

CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#330990: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:08:44 PM

[up]x3 Speaking of the Kremlin, how are they responding to the news of Trump getting Coronavirus?

Imca (Veteran)
#330991: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:22:00 PM

Which isn't the best when we're talking about an existential threat.

Climate change is NOT an existential threat, it is a globally damaging threat that WILL cost billions if not trillions in damage, and render large chunks of the coastline unusable, as well as cause who knows how much damage to an ecosystem.

But there is absolutely zero chance of it causing human extinction, lots of people WILL die if nothing is done, but... its also not even under the worst estimates any kind of apocalypse.

So yes, making some progress to averting it is WAY better then no progress.

Edited by Imca on Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:22:26 AM

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#330992: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:28:01 PM

Trump got spooked hearing about him being positive for COVID.

Apparently having the symptoms is scaring him.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
AngrokVa indighost from america, unfortunately Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: Saddled with unnecessary feelings
indighost
#330993: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:28:21 PM

CNN's chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta reports that a Trump adviser says he is "having trouble breathing, that he's been very fatigued today, very tired."

He later reports that a White House official told him that the "public should not be alarmed and that Trump is taking the situation 'very seriously'". The White House is also "making plans to keep the public updated on his situation".

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#330994: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:29:54 PM

[up][up]Makes sense. I'd be scared shitless to. Ultimately, he is human (albeit a shitty one).

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#330995: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:30:21 PM

People are strangely convinced this is all a hoax, like Trump would ever accept looking weak.

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#330996: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:34:20 PM

And they'll also claim it's a hoax or he got assassinated by X if he actually does pass.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
Scarecrow4774 from In Wonderland Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#330997: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:35:22 PM

My stepfamily switched to Fox News to see what's going on with them.

They are at peak irony right now.

“We’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.” - Lewis Carroll
AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#330998: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:35:26 PM

On Weimar Syndrome, the SPD loathed the KPD as much as the other way around. Neither party were interested in cooperation. The fact the KPD gets all the shit for it is obnoxious, because its not like the SPD were exactly willing to work together either.

Also, either there aren't enough Leftists that you don't have to do outreach at all, or there are enough that they can sink an election. Pick one, you can't have both.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:36:38 AM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
Imca (Veteran)
#330999: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:38:27 PM

Makes sense. I'd be scared shitless to. Ultimately, he is human (albeit a shitty one).

He is also a known germaphobe, which... makes his insistant denial of this previously even more ironic.

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#331000: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:42:08 PM

I feel like it was a catch 22/Logic Bomb for Trump; he's a germaphobe, but wearing a mask would mean admitting he was wrong about COVID not being serious. Ergo, as long as he didn't get sick, he would go maskless as long as possible to keep the "strong" look of a leader. It finally caught up to him.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.

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