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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#330726: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:04:04 AM

Hmm, I don't think so. Trump is not the kind of guy to fake a disease. His whole idea is to appear strong and invulnerable, remember? This is not someone who would fake a cough, let alone fake having a contagious disease.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#330727: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:05:04 AM

Trump isn't that subtle. And it will be very hard for him to claim that getting covid is "nothing" if it prevents him from campaigning. Also, it doesn't matter at all what Trump supporters think about this. They're Trump supporters. It does matter what independent voters think, and they tend to be smarter.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#330728: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:06:08 AM

I mean, remember how he talks about soldiers who got shot. They are losers. They are weak. He considers being sick being a loser. This would be the last thing he does.

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devak They call me.... Prophet Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
They call me.... Prophet
#330729: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:06:37 AM

We're talking about a guy who, out of nowhere, loudly tweeted he didn't have mini-strokes. (that nobody was talking about or knew about).

Trump wouldn't fake the virus because it makes him look weak and vulnerable. And the whole anti-mask shtick has been that he wants to project strength.

Trump isn't a 4D chess master.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#330730: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:08:33 AM

Not to mention he faked his health checkup and brags about passing a senility test. This is not someone who can stand being seen as anything other than perfectly healthy.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#330731: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:09:58 AM

Also, if it turns out that Biden tests negative (likely, if their only contact was the debate), then Biden can continue campaigning, while Trump cant.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#330732: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:13:51 AM

The chances that Trump dies are frankly not all that high. He’s going to get the best medical care money can buy. I’d rate it considerably lower that he just wins the election legitimately, which is around 10%. It could still happen, and that doesn’t stop us from imagining crazy scenarios, especially given the possibility that Biden could also have been exposed.


I have absolutely no idea how Harris v Pence would go down.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:16:18 AM

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#330733: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:16:30 AM

The question is less one about Trump's healthcare and more one about how symptoms might develop.

singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#330734: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:19:14 AM

Republicans are criticising the Biden campaign for not saying "get well soon" to Trump before other world leaders.

So who wants to try and explain the concept of time zones to the Republican party? Or is there too much of a risk of having to also explain that the world isn't flat, or that it orbits round the Sun?

Edited by singularityshot on Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:27:55 AM

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#330735: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:21:27 AM

[up][up] Well yes, but there’s not going to even be a question about whether mechanical ventilation will be available, what drugs will be on hand, ect. Case specific fatality rates for COVID-19 have proven quite sensitive to the healthcare disparities that already exist in the US.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:21:46 AM

Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#330736: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:22:06 AM

[up][up]Its bold to ask for a get well soon card towards an man whom mocked his dead son in the first debate.

But what can I expect from fucking Republicans?

Edited by Wispy on Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:22:18 AM

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#330737: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:23:23 AM

Biden did express his sympathy to Trump. I saw the tweet. It's grasping at straws now.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#330738: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:23:53 AM

It is a crappy, crappy reality when the idea that the President might be faking an illness is genuinely plausible.

That said, my big concern is that Trump kind of "needs" to hit that sweet spot with COVID for this to have any negative impact on him. If he has very few symptoms, he'll go out and brag about how it's not a big deal and we should just reopen. If he dies from it, he becomes a martyr. So I hate to say it, but I'm kind of hoping he gets hospitalized (but pulls through), because it would be a sharp reminder to his supporters that it is serious, and they should treat it as such.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#330739: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:24:08 AM

All I can say is this: if Trump died, the GOP’s real frontmen would finally be exposed.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#330740: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:26:46 AM

@Red Mess BUT Trump has certifiably faked health conditions to get out of things before (Bone Spurs!) and regardless of how genuine this case is, the narrative from the Trump campaign will be how he overcame the disease through willpower and manly strength (any medical carers getting a token mention at best.)

And if this sounds a little cynical, well, over here in the UK there's a very good chance that our PM ran something very similar.

Edited by jakobitis on Oct 2nd 2020 at 2:29:19 PM

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#330741: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:28:23 AM

[up][up] Well yes, but there’s not going to even be a question about whether mechanical ventilation will be available, what drugs will be on hand, ect. Case specific fatality rates for COVID-19 have proven quite sensitive to the healthcare disparities that already exist in the US.

Oh, he's likely to be in the best possible outcome group for whatever symptoms develop but it's not entirely within medical control.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#330742: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:29:28 AM

@balls, If he’s hospitalized and gets better he might get some sympathy votes. That makes absolutely no logical sense, but people vote for really odd reasons sometimes.

[up] It’s not, and he does have preexisting risk factors, but even if he ends up in the ICU the odds he lives are better than the odds of him legitimately winning the election.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:30:57 AM

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#330743: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:29:29 AM

I do say we should show as much empathy for Trump as Ben Shapiro showed for Trayvon Martin. You know what would be great, him having some sort of live zoom meeting and hearing a bunch of people cheering "you deserve it!".

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#330744: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:30:12 AM

It is not plausible at all. Trump would never fake an illness. He can't even stand being a bit overweight. He faked his own medical records just so he could brag about them. Do you really think this is the sort of guy who would fake disease for anything?

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Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#330745: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:31:35 AM

The main issue is how unhealthy he is and his age. Assuming that he was lying about not having mini-strokes he is in another high risk range already if he has had heart problems before which I seriously doubt he doesn't.

If Covid hits healthy people with organ damage I doubt he won't be hit with it, even with some of the best medical care in the world.

Atleast, thats my hope. I don't want him to die for the fact he'd be made into a matyr by crazies. I do want him to not come out this clean though.

Edited by Wispy on Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:33:21 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#330746: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:33:56 AM

As for the bone spurs, clearly that was just so he wouldn't be drafted for the war. And that was, what, fifty years ago?

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#330747: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:35:21 AM

[up][up] Again, don’t get your hopes up. A 2% chance of death from an illness is taken very seriously by doctors, and I would never discount it because that’s not how probability works, but I would be willing to bet as much against it as I could afford to lose.

As far as martyrdom goes, I think the rather more pressing consideration is if that Trump dies of COVID, Pence is unlikely to contest the election results, and that terrifying prospect immediately goes away. I don’t want Trump to die of COVID-19, because I consider it both unproductive and unethical to wish sickness upon people, but I understand why people feel the way that they do.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:40:27 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#330748: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:38:53 AM

It is not plausible at all. Trump would never fake an illness. He can't even stand being a bit overweight. He faked his own medical records just so he could brag about them. Do you really think this is the sort of guy who would fake disease for anything?
If the alternative was a high risk of undeniable public humiliation? I'd say there's at least a chance he'd do it. Were he more subtle/thoughtful, I'd even bet he'd do it specifically to invoke the "It's not that bad!" narrative be pushes by claiming only minor symptoms and then coming out in public. Only reason I wouldn't go that far is it requires more planning than Trump typically displays.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#330749: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:41:29 AM

All I want to know is, is he mainlining bleach yet?

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#330750: Oct 2nd 2020 at 6:47:12 AM

Whatever happens to him, he deserves it. He doesn’t take care of himself.


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