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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#330051: Sep 30th 2020 at 6:51:01 AM

Let me be absolutely clear once again. You should not vote for Trump. I will NEVER support Trump. Let there be no doubt that I will never imply such, nor that you should vote for Trump or not vote for Biden. You will not see any wink wink nudge nudge shit from me, and any such suggestions are unfortunately mistaken. I don't do that sort of thing. Frankly I'm terrible at it. So no, I am not stealth supporting Trump, and I would rather not have to drill that into anyone's heads every time I criticize Biden.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#330052: Sep 30th 2020 at 6:51:09 AM

I cannot believe people here are giving Trump points for acting like a schoolyard bully, as Fighteer put it.

Disgusted, but not surprised
devak They call me.... Prophet Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
They call me.... Prophet
#330053: Sep 30th 2020 at 6:51:42 AM

There isn't any intended "don't vote" subtext.

Imca (Veteran)
#330054: Sep 30th 2020 at 6:53:41 AM

Moving this edit to its own post because it got page wraped.

He made an utter fool of himself, and Biden exercised laudable restraint.

TBH I am actually wondering something now, both posters that say Trump did well have admitted to listening to Audio only....

I am starting to wonder if Bidens and Trumps visuals and body languages are what really sells it, with the fact Biden is just grinning ear to ear while Trump dances around like a fool.

Like Bidens body language is what says the most in most of the "easy shots" that he misses where he just puts off a massive vibe of "can you believe this shit" to Trump.

Edited by Imca on Sep 30th 2020 at 6:59:19 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#330055: Sep 30th 2020 at 6:54:33 AM

Trump didn't "dominate" this debate, he threw a whining fit and acted like an idiot.

He attacked Biden's family and retreated when Beau was brought up. How does anyone call that "domination?"

Edited by Lightysnake on Sep 30th 2020 at 6:55:05 AM

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#330056: Sep 30th 2020 at 6:54:38 AM

I am starting to wonder if Bidens and Trmps visuals and body languages are what really sells it, with the fact Biden is just grinning ear to ear while Trump dances around like a fool.

That reminds me of the 1960 Debate between Kennedy and Nixon. From what I heard and read, people who only listened to the Debate on Radio said Nixon won it, while most people, who watched the first ever televised debate, seeing a sickly looking Nixon and young, healthy Kennedy, said Kennedy won it.

It's interesting how much seeing something can drastically alter our perception of what we hear.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#330057: Sep 30th 2020 at 6:55:12 AM

The conservative moderator who threw him the softest of softballs.

Considering I've Trumpets accuse the guy of being biased or "Hillary in a wig", he likely wasn't far-right enough for Trump's and his fans' taste.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 30th 2020 at 3:55:26 PM

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#330058: Sep 30th 2020 at 6:55:20 AM

@M84 I'm not giving him points, obviously, but it does result in Trump looking like he has the upper hand, which is unfortunate. Which is why I felt Biden should have pushed back harder.

Biden just ended up looking rather toothless here. He needs to bare his teeth and bite back, not just scoff.

@ Imca, I agree on that point, I can't really see body language, so I was effectively going on audio as well, and Trump did seem to have the upper hand in that regard. I suppose Biden looked stronger when taking his visual reactions into account, though I don't think that is enough either.

Edited by Redmess on Sep 30th 2020 at 3:57:43 PM

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#330059: Sep 30th 2020 at 6:57:31 AM

Based on what? The post-debate polls are showing Biden is handily being considered the winner. Most people will remember him snorting about "this clown" and "shut up, man."

Biden didn't get into the ring and throw mud with Trump, so what?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#330060: Sep 30th 2020 at 6:57:39 AM

He attacked Biden's family and retreated when Beau was brought up. How does anyone call that "domination?"

I guess if one mistakes assholery for strength, than it's easy to think that Trump "dominated".

Biden didn't get into the ring and throw mud with Trump

Well, that's a mental image I could have lived the rest of my life without seeing.

Edited by M84 on Sep 30th 2020 at 9:58:34 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#330061: Sep 30th 2020 at 6:59:43 AM

I'm pretty sure there's a saying about wrestling with a pig - though I feel bad comparing pigs to Trump.

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#330062: Sep 30th 2020 at 7:01:10 AM

This is more akin to wrestling with a wolf - sure, you may get bitten, but when you don't wrestle back, you are not going to come out better either.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#330063: Sep 30th 2020 at 7:04:59 AM

Now you're disparaging wolves.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#330064: Sep 30th 2020 at 7:04:59 AM

Trump tried to insult Biden by saying he went to a state school. This is the working class whisperer? His attacks were shit, even if he was screaming while making them

Actually, the wolf analogy is apt. Since 'Alpha' wolves don't really exist and neither did Trump's supposed domination

Edited by Lightysnake on Sep 30th 2020 at 7:05:59 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#330065: Sep 30th 2020 at 7:06:19 AM

In the debate? I think I missed that.

His attack on Hunter was definitely a hit, though. He really got Biden cornered there, and Biden should have been prepared better for it.

Edited by Redmess on Sep 30th 2020 at 4:07:57 PM

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#330066: Sep 30th 2020 at 7:06:25 AM

As I haven't watched the debate - are the mics stil on when it's other people's turn to speak?

Because if not, they really should have cut Trump's mic whenever he acted up.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#330067: Sep 30th 2020 at 7:07:26 AM

Trump Twitter is calling for Wallace's job again.

While his moderation wasn't great, I have to wonder if anyone with the same level of authority could have done better.

[up]Can't cut mics unless the Trunp campaign agrees to it.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Sep 30th 2020 at 11:08:02 AM

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#330068: Sep 30th 2020 at 7:07:55 AM

[Redacting personal commentary - Septimus Heap ]

I also do want to call attention to the fact that although Chris Wallace is a pretty good journalist by Fox standards and did push back on Trump (YMMV how much that is down to nonpartisanship versus because of Trump being a huge asshole), but there was a definitely right-wing slant to some of the questions.

Most clearly, Wallace basically asked Biden why he hasn't told Democratic officials to crush protests - a question which both buys into Republican rhetoric about anti-fa and which treats violent repression as the sensible policy.

Also, while I think it is a bit less egregious since a version of the question also came up at the Biden town hall, but Wallace mischaracterized a comment by Kamala Harris on being skeptical of any vaccine promoted by Trump.

There's also kind of the little things in terms of Wallace being cowed into giving Trump more time and at one point telling him that he would be pleased by the next question.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on Sep 30th 2020 at 4:40:03 PM

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#330069: Sep 30th 2020 at 7:08:07 AM

So I went to play Call of Cthulhu instead of watching the debate last night coz it seems to be less threatening to my sanity. Any surprising revelations or moments to someone who's been paying attention these last 4 years?

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#330070: Sep 30th 2020 at 7:08:13 AM

[up][up][up][up] Yes, they are.

Wallace saying Trump would be pleased by the question was basically because Trump was already going into that question before it was asked. I don't think there was anything partisan about that.

Edited by Redmess on Sep 30th 2020 at 4:11:18 PM

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#330071: Sep 30th 2020 at 7:08:31 AM

Trump just screamed about Hunter Biden,attacked Biden for not knowing what school he went to and said he went to a state school...

Red, there is no data right now to suggest your point is accurate. The post-debate polls show viewers to date resoundingly thought Biden won

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#330072: Sep 30th 2020 at 7:10:51 AM

Can't cut mics unless the Trunp campaign agrees to it.

What? What kind of political debate is that? If somebody can't abide by the rules, you cut off their mic until it's their turn to speak or they learned how to behave.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 30th 2020 at 4:11:06 PM

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#330073: Sep 30th 2020 at 7:13:07 AM

No, I am not anti-anti-Trump. Do I have to go bold face again?

[up][up] That is just my personal take, I am not saying that everyone will think that. Also, Dutch commentators were not impressed by Biden either.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#330074: Sep 30th 2020 at 7:13:44 AM

Why...should we care about Dutch commentators?

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#330075: Sep 30th 2020 at 7:14:49 AM

Because the world does not revolve around America? Foreign commentators are entitled to forming opinions on American debates, you know.

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