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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#329626: Sep 28th 2020 at 6:52:37 PM

I'm not sure I agree that television news is inherently inferior to print. There are plenty of decent television news sources around, I'm sure. Our national public television news program (NOS) is very reputable and factual, for instance.

I think this attitude stems from cable news, which generally seems more sensationalist than news programs I'm familiar with.

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#329627: Sep 28th 2020 at 7:40:36 PM

I find newspapers to be more trustworthy. Which is weird because I am Gen Z to the core.

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#329628: Sep 28th 2020 at 7:47:06 PM

Print media of a given quality will be superior to video media of a given quality, because the level of in-depth and highly detailed explanation you can go into with an article—especially a web article—is much greater than can be squeezed into some sort of television spot. The exception is investigative documentaries where you can devote an hour long slot or more to a single task.

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#329629: Sep 28th 2020 at 9:12:16 PM

Also, there's the gradual deskilling of print media to take into account, as publishers struggle in vain to find a viable profit model while cutting everything they can find an excuse to cut (and venture capitalists merrily help the sector along in its decline). A depressingly large number of news articles these days are Associated Press tweets padded out by a clueless, disinterested intern, even from papers with once-exalted reputations.

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#329630: Sep 28th 2020 at 10:50:53 PM

According to the Trump campaign, he's only done two hours of debate prep.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/28/politics/trump-debate-prep/index.html

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#329631: Sep 28th 2020 at 10:59:05 PM

They got Trump to do something involving forethought for two hours? I'm shocked.

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#329632: Sep 28th 2020 at 11:10:16 PM

So the debate is in something like 19 hours, right? I'm on JST, so the announced dates and times are all weird.

Gah, that means I'll be awake for it...

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#329633: Sep 28th 2020 at 11:10:42 PM

I somehow doubt Trump was able to stay focused during the entire two hours.

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#329634: Sep 28th 2020 at 11:19:11 PM

Oh, it was nonconsecutive—they only managed 30 minutes in total—and also included just randomly saying possible Biden lines at him to get a reaction.

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#329635: Sep 28th 2020 at 11:44:45 PM

So we're expecting public tantrums then?

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#329636: Sep 28th 2020 at 11:44:52 PM

Yikes. He really just doesn't care anymore, does he?

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#329637: Sep 29th 2020 at 12:11:06 AM

I'm not sure I agree that television news is inherently inferior to print. There are plenty of decent television news sources around, I'm sure. Our national public television news program (NOS) is very reputable and factual, for instance.

I find newspapers to be more trustworthy. Which is weird because I am Gen Z to the core.

To be to the point, the reason so many, especialy Amercians see television news as inferior, is well.... the way it gets its proffit requires it to be sensationalist over factual, since more veiws = advertisers paying more money.

When you get situations where the news is paid for by methods other then advertising it normally gets better, though while Tax money is a very good way to do this it also runs risk of creating its own kind of bias.

I do not understand how the BBC manages to remain top quality news, while the NHK does..... not.

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#329638: Sep 29th 2020 at 1:33:23 AM

I do not understand how the BBC manages to remain top quality news, while the NHK does..... not.

The Tories are fixing that, for example the former editor of the Daily Telegraph is about to head the BBC, while the former editor of the Daily Mail is about to be in charge of our communication regulatory body.

That’s before we get to the fact that the BBC is reportedly already considering cancelling comedy for being to left-wing.

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#329639: Sep 29th 2020 at 1:54:14 AM

Albeit the "comedy is too left wing" bit was run mostly by right wing papers and the current head of the BBC denied it. Of course he's going to be replaced by a conservative so it could well end up happening just the same.

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#329640: Sep 29th 2020 at 2:16:12 AM

Personally I’d like a system where people under the voting age could petition for the right to vote, a fixed age would be retained where you automatically get the right to vote, but I’d like to see it possible for a person to vote before that age if they can prove them self capable of understanding the process. Likewise a scale what a person can vote for, I’d say that a kid should be able to have some democratic voice in the schooling from as soon as they’re old enough to attend school.

I'm way late to the party, but I'd note that even though I haven't fully formed an opinion on age voting restrictions, I would say I am up for anyone who turns 18 during a year to be able to vote in all elections during that year.

My niece and step-nephew turned 18 this year before the general, but after the primaries. This also got me into thinking about people who can't start voting until the next year since their birthdays came too late in the year.

Edited by tclittle on Sep 29th 2020 at 4:16:27 AM

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#329641: Sep 29th 2020 at 2:18:47 AM

It's doubly ironic because for a while the comedy arm of the BBC was the only reason anyone knew who Boris was.

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#329642: Sep 29th 2020 at 2:44:37 AM

If I'm being honest, another 4 years of Trump sounds scary as hell to me, and he's gone from embarrassing to worrying.

The U.S. needs good relations with the United Kingdom post-Brexit as well, especially with the amount of Americans who want to live and work over here, or study over here.

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#329643: Sep 29th 2020 at 3:05:34 AM

AP News: Commerce Secretary [Wilbur] Ross says 2020 census will end Oct. 5 despite court order

U.S. Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross says the 2020 census will end Oct. 5, despite a federal judge's ruling last week allowing the head count of every U.S. resident to continue through the end of October, according to a tweet posted by the Census Bureau on Monday.

The tweet said the ability for people to self-respond to the census questionnaire and the door-knocking phase when census takers go to homes that haven’t yet responded are targeted to end Oct. 5.


The announcement came as a virtual hearing was being held in San Jose, California, as a follow-up to U.S. District Judge Lucy Koh's preliminary injunction. The injunction issued last week suspended the Census Bureau’s deadline for ending the head count on Sept. 30, which automatically reverted back to an older Census Bureau plan in which the timeline for ending field operations was Oct. 31.

Edited by nova92 on Sep 29th 2020 at 3:05:43 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#329644: Sep 29th 2020 at 4:37:36 AM

If you are going to allow people under 18 to vote, you either need to lower the voting age, or not do it at all. You can't pick and choose who gets to vote, especially not based on intellect or political interest.

Also, the NOS does long form documentaries on subjects too, as well as longer interviews. I'm watching an extensive briefing on Corona on our 24 hour news channel right now, for example. And of course there are serious talk shows that go more in depth as well.

Edited by Redmess on Sep 29th 2020 at 1:41:48 PM

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#329645: Sep 29th 2020 at 5:17:19 AM

Any 'test' used to determine who does and does not get to vote will be abused by racist assholes to try and stop Po C from voting at ALL full stop. Its been done before and will be done again.

Age is not biased, you are either of age or not of age. Harder to fudge harder to say "No you can't vote because of X" Not impossible but much harder to pull off.

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#329646: Sep 29th 2020 at 5:25:24 AM

Use this thread for age of whatever discussions, please.

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#329647: Sep 29th 2020 at 5:53:25 AM

Yikes. He really just doesn't care anymore, does he?

I mean, did he ever?

Isn't he famous for going to business meetings and negotiating with zero prep time?

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#329648: Sep 29th 2020 at 6:00:03 AM

Oh, I'm not even talking about that sort of abuse. If we start selecting voters based on their political engagement, that would be bad in and of itself. There is a reason we call voting rights universal. We really don't want to go back to when only the political elite was allowed to vote.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#329649: Sep 29th 2020 at 6:25:23 AM

AP News: Commerce Secretary [Wilbur] Ross says 2020 census will end Oct. 5 despite court order
So the law means nothing now. This is going to result in a severe undercount I fear.

Edited by speedyboris on Sep 29th 2020 at 6:26:17 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#329650: Sep 29th 2020 at 6:45:02 AM

Trump likely overstepped authority with TikTok ban, judge rules: TikTok said the White House can't do that. The judge says TikTok is probably right.

Once again, a judge tells the president "No, you cannot do that."

However, Nichols explained, there are two limitations in IEEPA. The law does not grant the president the authority "to regulate or prohibit, directly or indirectly" either the exchange of "information or informational materials" or personal communications. Tik Tok argued that its content qualifies as both informational material and personal communication, and the court agreed.

"The government has provided ample evidence that China presents a significant national security threat," Nichols found, but the "specific evidence of the threat posed by [Tik Tok], as well as whether the prohibitions are the only effective way to address that threat, remains less substantial."

The "national emergency" around Tik Tok may or may not have been resolved by November. If a proposed transaction with Oracle goes through, then it seems likely the administration will leave off on its efforts to ban the app. That deal, however, is far from certain. Although Trump gave the transaction his conditional "blessing," the deal still needs to pass national security review and also win approval from Chinese authorities.

Edited by Redmess on Sep 29th 2020 at 3:50:40 PM

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