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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#328851: Sep 24th 2020 at 12:48:21 PM

[up][up] You should try your best to avoid panic even then, if possible.

I think the important thing to remember here is that this isn’t a “backs against the wall” situation. We still have a lot of cards left to play.

They should have sent a poet.
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#328852: Sep 24th 2020 at 12:49:24 PM

"Being rich" isn't an automatic get-of-jail card. It's not the money that keeps you out of jail, it's the influence money can get you.

And Trump has not been good at making friends where it counts.

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#328853: Sep 24th 2020 at 12:53:59 PM

[up]No, but he has been defended (for their profit) by men who definitely have those friends and influences...and who could be harmed if Trump goes down...

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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#328854: Sep 24th 2020 at 12:57:29 PM

We'll see. I don't have high hopes for Trump to face any kind of legal consequences. While I'd love to see him prosecuted for conspiring with Russia to undermine our election and flagrantly ignoring the law as POTUS multiple times, I don't expect it to happen.

A billionaire does not face justice. Ever. That is the iron rule of law in the United States.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 24th 2020 at 12:57:56 PM

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#328855: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:00:32 PM

Well then we should count ourselves lucky that Trump has been exaggerating his net worth. tongue

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#328856: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:04:25 PM

Logistically speaking, we would need all of the following for Trump to face prison time for his crimes:

  • Police willing to arrest Trump.
  • A prosecutor willing to pursue charges against Trump.
  • A jury of fair, impartial, and unbiased peers to hear the case against Trump.
  • A judge willing to sentence Trump fairly.

That third one would be the hardest of all. Trump may die of old age before you find 12 American citizens who DO NOT, in this day and age, have any pre-existing opinions one way or the other about Donald J. Trump.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#328857: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:07:24 PM

Also, maybe he'll pull a Screw This, I'm Outta Here!.

Possibly to Russia.

Edited by Forenperser on Sep 24th 2020 at 10:07:42 AM

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#328858: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:08:43 PM

Russia would not be the smartest move for him, if only because Putin may say You Have Outlived Your Usefulness.

So I would be very much okay with that outcome.

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#328859: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:09:55 PM

Musing further, even in the best case scenario where things actually escalate that far, I'd expect Trump to be offered a fairly generous plea bargain just for the sake of avoiding the absolute circus that a genuine criminal trial would turn into.

I don't think Trump will flee to Russia. I fully expect, if Biden wins the election, that Trump will flee to Florida. He'll move into the "Southern White House", Mar-a-Lago, declares himself Totes Actual President For Realsies, claim the election was rigged, and try to spend the rest of his days ruling whoever will listen to him from Twitter.

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#328860: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:11:25 PM

I think the bigger issue is finding the right grand jury. How do you assemble a jury of 23 people so disengaged that none have an a priori opinion of him? You wouldn't even be able to get an indictment.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#328861: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:11:26 PM

I want Florida to flip even more now. Imagine Trump losing both of his home states.

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#328862: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:11:39 PM

I fully expect that Trump will stand trial if he's given the boot come January - the question is how many months/years will it be tied up in Appeals and he remains a free man in the meantime? Unlike the shit Epstein was being tried for, white-collar crimes tend not to be ones that land someone in prison while the trial is ongoing, or even after a verdict is rendered.

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#328863: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:12:11 PM

I don't have my hopes up for Florida but it would be a nice surprise.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Sep 24th 2020 at 5:12:28 AM

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#328864: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:14:25 PM

If Biden reclaims Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, and clears up the Southwest (Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico), the election's his. It's getting to the point where Democrats can conceivably win without Ohio or Florida.

Virginia and New Mexico becoming blue states is the quiet killer here. There's so much more flexibility when you have multiple paths forward.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Sep 24th 2020 at 4:15:01 AM

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#328865: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:18:54 PM

A billionaire does not face justice. Ever. That is the iron rule of law in the United States.

Eppstein?

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#328866: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:25:23 PM

He died in prison by his own hand and robbed his victims of any chance for him to face further justice

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#328867: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:26:07 PM

[up][up] Just goes to show you how low a billionaire actually has to stoop to get arrested.

Edited by Forenperser on Sep 24th 2020 at 10:27:26 AM

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#328868: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:31:57 PM

I don't think Trump will flee to Russia. I fully expect, if Biden wins the election, that Trump will flee to Florida. He'll move into the "Southern White House", Mar-a-Lago, declares himself Totes Actual President For Realsies, claim the election was rigged, and try to spend the rest of his days ruling whoever will listen to him from Twitter.

Isn't that highly illegal? Like, literally sedition?

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#328869: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:33:06 PM

Probably, but you need either a federal or state government willing to prosecute.

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#328870: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:44:21 PM

Well, yeah, but how hard can that be? If Trump were to just bugger off and no longer gets involved in politics directly, I can totally get people being unwilling to poke the bear. But if he's actually going to claim the title of president and order his cult to disobey the state, then there really is no excuse, right?

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#328871: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:44:54 PM

Is Trial by Judge a thing in the US? Could be a solution to charging a former President.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
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#328872: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:45:13 PM

[up][up][up][up]So are all those "Sovereign Citizen" weirdos but no one prosecutes them and they are just laughing stock since they are harmless

Edited by Aszur on Sep 24th 2020 at 2:45:20 PM

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#328873: Sep 24th 2020 at 1:57:04 PM

Our US ambassador is an idiot called Pete Hoekstra, a Republican who claimed that the Netherlands had lawless no-go zones (it does not), that Europe was turning into Eurabia, and who tried to interfere in our politics by hosting a fund raiser for extre right populist party Forum For Democracy.

I don't think we need to count on that idiot for doing the right thing.

[up] Actually, it is sort of legal as long as they pay their taxes. Or rather, it is not legally enforcible to begin with, so as long as they don't cause too much trouble, they can claim whatever they like, it won't matter a bit for their status as citizen.

Edited by Redmess on Sep 24th 2020 at 10:59:03 AM

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#328874: Sep 24th 2020 at 2:02:53 PM

He sounds like the kind of Ambassador to the Netherlands who would react angrily at people speaking non english at him

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#328875: Sep 24th 2020 at 2:07:24 PM

[up][up]'twas fun seeing him publicly called out on his lies and slinking off in shame, though.


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