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#328776: Sep 24th 2020 at 8:36:32 AM

By the way, Trump is going to have all "his" presidential power stripped clean off him the moment he loses the election, right?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#328777: Sep 24th 2020 at 8:41:58 AM

No. He's a lame duck until January/Inauguration Day

The damage he might do in that interim is one of the concerns we've discussed.

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 24th 2020 at 8:42:37 AM

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#328778: Sep 24th 2020 at 8:42:21 AM

[up] No, he is still fully President for a "lame duck" period until Biden is inaugurated on January 20.

Can people stop it with the concern trolly questions that can be answered by a 5 second Google search?

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NBC: More than 200 retired generals, admirals endorse Biden, including some who served under Trump

Alright doomsayers, a military coup is confidently not going to happen.

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#328780: Sep 24th 2020 at 8:45:38 AM

I do wonder if we might see a second impeachment should Biden be declared the winner, get Trump out the door strait away and formally have Pence manage the transition.

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#328781: Sep 24th 2020 at 8:47:00 AM

And how willing AG Barr is to create a legalized real-life version of the "Purge" in order to allow Trump's cultists to murder those they consider "anarchists" without fear for punishment by the law.

(I would not put it above Barr to try that, the sleazy gasbag has clearly proven to be a enemy of all democracy the way he has handled his job thus far...)

No, Trump is not going to fucking enact The Purge. Nobody is going to enact The Purge.

God, I wish that movie had never been made. The Purge isn't ever going to happen. Not because "America wouldn't be so evil" but because, out of all the ways for the rich to eat the poor, The Purge is the stupidest fucking idea ever put to paper.

"WEN PURGE THO" is, at it has been since 2013, pointless, baseless fearmongering. It's not a real thing. It's never going to be a real thing. And people need to stop trying to insert it into serious conversations about legitimate political threats.

I think, as a general rule, referencing The Purge should automatically be considered baseless doomsaying in any political conversation.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 24th 2020 at 8:48:05 AM

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#328782: Sep 24th 2020 at 8:48:55 AM

> Can people stop it with the concern trolly questions that can be answered by a 5 second Google search?

Can't be helped sometimes (almost everyone is guilty of doing it at some point)

[up] had to go back to check who you were responding before the inevitable thump,I've certainly of weirder sceneries

Edited by Ultimatum on Sep 24th 2020 at 3:51:49 PM

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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#328783: Sep 24th 2020 at 8:50:58 AM

Asking for the same reason some people lock their doors three times before feeling comfortable enough to leave it alone.

(Illusory insurance)

(Well, that, and...certain other circumstances...)

Does Trump really need the military to clamp himself to the White House as a dictator though?

He got a massive braindead cult, willing to literally die for him (if his Super-Spreader Rallies is any indication) and willing to open fire on protesters without fear of punishment.

Not to mention a corrupt AG, a corrupt fascist party that are just in as deep water as him, willing to trample and destroy America as much as they can just so they can cling to their cheat-seats as well.

Even with the military against him, would soldiers still open fire if attacked by deranged, delusional, MAGA-cultists who in turn are armed with their guns as well and fully willing to open fire if they see the soldiers as "Deep State Operatives"?

Honestly, I don't know the answer on that one, but from what I've seen, the MAGA death-cult is definitely stupid enough to try a violent uprising if their leader is threatened in any way or form...

Edited by TitanJump on Sep 24th 2020 at 5:51:48 PM

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#328784: Sep 24th 2020 at 8:52:02 AM

Why are you saying "his"? Are you doubting his gender? grin

[up] Admittedly, being willing to risk their lives for a virus they think is fake or not dangerous anyway is not quite the same as being willing to risk their lives in a civil uprising.

And that is the real threat we are facing: a civil uprising combined with a political coup attempt.

Edited by Redmess on Sep 24th 2020 at 5:55:56 PM

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#328785: Sep 24th 2020 at 8:53:39 AM

[up][up] Your obvious mistake is that you're giving too much power to his cult. White supremacists are by their nature cowards. They're not willing to die for Trump. The moment real resistance rises up against them, they'll fold and crawl back under the cupboards where they belong.

Edited by Resileafs on Sep 24th 2020 at 11:54:03 AM

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#328786: Sep 24th 2020 at 8:55:06 AM

[up][up][up][up] We should never say "it can't happen here" because it can. Is it unrealistic? Yeah, but still a small possibility.

It would have to take a couple of years of Republican propaganda before Republican or busters would take to it though. Or the right framing.

Edited by tclittle on Sep 24th 2020 at 10:55:22 AM

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#328787: Sep 24th 2020 at 8:55:22 AM

[up] x 3 (For all as I know, Trump is just as much a "man" as a mannequin shaped as one would be.)

I refuse to acknowledge this man as the "president", that's all.

He stole the election 2016, and is trying to get rid off it all together in 2020.

No president worthy of the title would ever do that.

Edited by TitanJump on Sep 24th 2020 at 5:55:34 PM

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#328788: Sep 24th 2020 at 8:56:35 AM

Does Trump really need the military to clamp himself to the White House as a dictator though?

Yes. Because Democrats (via governorships) have control over smaller versions of the military which are perfectly capable of putting down any attempt at insurrection by militia groups.

There is no Trump coup plan that works as long as Democrats are willing to use force to resist it.

[up][up] The Purge can’t happen anywhere, it’s a stupid and insane idea that has no basis in human psychology or history.

You know what happens if you declare that there are no laws? People invent laws, because people like laws.

I’ve literally lived in an anarchical commune that did away with all rules every few years to create a sense of ownership over the rules (as the membership changed each year bit by bit), except we stopped doing it because it became so routine for the entire thing to last one day before we all voted to bring all the old rules back.

And we were kids doing that.

Edited by Silasw on Sep 24th 2020 at 4:03:15 PM

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#328789: Sep 24th 2020 at 8:58:08 AM

I think I hear 2000 calling.

Also, Trump is the president, like it or not. It is a bit late to be in denial about that at this point.

[up] The danger is that they may well try it anyway, and that it ends in a bloodbath.

And yeah, not having any rules sounds nice to some until you actually try it.

Edited by Redmess on Sep 24th 2020 at 6:01:01 PM

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#328790: Sep 24th 2020 at 9:01:43 AM

I would prefer if people who wish to take up arms against the US to install a dictatorship learnt the error of their ways, but I’m not going to have a ton of sympathy if they end up dying for said cause.

A bloodbath vastly overestimates the power they have to successfully make war against national guard regiments.

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#328791: Sep 24th 2020 at 9:04:36 AM

Does Trump really need the military to clamp himself to the White House as a dictator though?

He got a massive braindead cult, willing to literally die for him (if his Super-Spreader Rallies is any indication) and willing to open fire on protesters without fear of punishment.

Spearmen vs Tanks situation.

For all the fetishizing the United States does of its Second Amendment, do you seriously believe a bunch of people with Walmart rifles would be seriously capable of having the slightest chance against a military that's pumped enough billions of dollars a year to dwarf the combined expenditures of the next like 10 countries after it?

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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#328792: Sep 24th 2020 at 9:08:10 AM

My concern isn’t that this can’t be stopped, it’s that Democrat governors aren’t willing to arrest Republican legislatures for attempting a coup.

They don't need to arrest anyone, vetoing it would be more than sufficient.

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#328793: Sep 24th 2020 at 9:08:49 AM

[up][up] You are expecting "common sense" from trump supporters of all people.

They have ignored reality in favor for whatever the moldy orange is telling them.

Do not put it above them to think that they can pull it off, regardless what reality faces them down with, in hard cold facts (which they all call "fake news!").

They are, sadly, that stupid.

Edited by TitanJump on Sep 24th 2020 at 6:09:41 PM

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#328794: Sep 24th 2020 at 9:11:32 AM

You are expecting "common sense" from trump supporters of all people.

No, they're not. They're disagreeing with the idea that Trump supporters can efficaciously help with a coup. Trumpists lack of common sense is true but irrelevant to Azsur's point.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 24th 2020 at 9:11:50 AM

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#328795: Sep 24th 2020 at 9:13:17 AM

[up]x3 What concerns me is she never responded to this tweet...

Edited by jjjj2 on Sep 24th 2020 at 12:13:30 PM

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#328796: Sep 24th 2020 at 9:19:54 AM

It can still be a bloodbath even if they don't succeed. Do you think the military won't shoot back when Trump supporters start shooting? Or when they start taking political hostages or storming government buildings? They've already been practising that last part.

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#328797: Sep 24th 2020 at 9:22:08 AM

The Second Amendment means it is a terrifying prospect to invade the United States (God dammit why is every citizen an armed guerilla?), but in the case of the United States citizens vs the United States army, it is laughably one-sided.

Edited by Aszur on Sep 24th 2020 at 10:22:20 PM

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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#328798: Sep 24th 2020 at 9:22:59 AM

Meanwhile, here's something else to be worried about:

Russia offers its untested COVID-19 vaccine for free to UN officials: The World Health Organization declined to comment on whether this was a good idea.

Trump is going to push this dangerous vaccine to the public very soon, I can just feel it.

[up] Sure, but do they know that? They've been road testing armed occupations of government buildings already. What if that happens during the election? Should the military just let that happen?

Edited by Redmess on Sep 24th 2020 at 6:24:17 PM

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#328799: Sep 24th 2020 at 9:25:37 AM

A bloodbath implies heavy casualties on the side of either the military or civilians who are not involved, that’s not at all in the realm of possibility. One or two major acts of domestic terrorism followed by a large scale crackdown on the movement, potentially involving heavy casualties amongst the movements members, is much more realistic.

They don't need to arrest anyone, vetoing it would be more than sufficient

Someone still has to enforce the ruling that they can’t appoint their own electors, that requires force. Even if it’s just putting the nominal ‘electors’ in holding cells for a couple days.

Edited by Silasw on Sep 24th 2020 at 4:28:08 PM

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#328800: Sep 24th 2020 at 9:25:39 AM

We should never say "it can't happen here" because it can. Is it unrealistic? Yeah, but still a small possibility.

It would have to take a couple of years of Republican propaganda before Republican or busters would take to it though. Or the right framing.

It's really not. The Purge is a garbage scenario invented by horror writers with absolutely no idea of how politics work. It would never, ever EVER happen under any circumstances, ever. Again: not because it's evil. Because it's stupid.

Here is why even the most authoritarian government in the world would never enact the Purge: it does not accomplish what they want to accomplish. Why make it legal to kill anybody ever? Why would you do that? You risk getting the wrong people killed. White supremacists don't want whites to be murdered. Rich people don't want the rich to be gunned down by mobs of the poor. Homophobes don't want straights to be on the chopping block.

No authoritarian would be stupid enough to do something as completely batshit nonsensical as a Purge when they can just make it legal to kill specifically the people they don't like. When they can just look the other way as LGBT kids are lynched. When they can make their police force into a white supremacist hit mob. When they can gun down black people for "maybe had a gun" and Arabic people for "maybe was a terrorist". When they can tacitly encourage racist militias to take the law into their own hands.

That's all shit they're already doing. The only thing a Purge would do is to make turnabout fair play and that is why it's a stupid scenario that will never, EVER happen. Worrying about the fucking Purge is a waste of time and energy that distracts from the very real not-stupid crimes happening every day in this country by the people who have the power to enact a Purge but aren't dumb enough to do it.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 24th 2020 at 9:27:12 AM

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