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Edited by AzurePaladin on Sep 22nd 2020 at 2:20:14 PM
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer1.4 million Florida citizens were estimated to be enfranchised under Amendment 4. DeSantis's law re-disenfranchised about 700,000 of them. So Mike Bloomberg and the people who donated to him have given the vote to about 5% of those people.
If he'd funneled all the money from his presidential campaign into this instead, he could have given all of them the right to vote.*
- Again, assuming Florida can even figure out what these people owe.
Edited by nova92 on Sep 22nd 2020 at 11:24:11 AM
Going by the post last page
, is it 5% or 0.5%?
Either way it's a step in the right direction but how big a step is it, actually?
Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 22nd 2020 at 11:25:16 AM
I would like to think that they'd know which party is responsible for their previous disenfranchised situation and which party wants them to get their rights back, but, diseases of dogs and all that.
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5% of voters disenfranchised by the Florida law, .2% of the voting age population in Florida.
Bloomberg's advisers identified that group as both likely to vote for Biden and more likely to vote than other groups of former felons.
Edited by nova92 on Sep 22nd 2020 at 11:28:21 AM
It is a bit of a fallacy to assume that all those felons will be Democratic voters, yes. And honestly, they have every right to vote Republican if they want to. Acting like they would have to vote Democratic just because the Dems helped them wouldn't be very, well, democratic.
There's no quid pro quo in voting.
Hope shines brightest in the darkest timesSure but part of why they lost the right to vote is because many of them are black, which is also a heavy indicator of voting for Dems.
It’s not certain that they’ll vote Democrat, but that’s the natural disposition of many of them even before they consider who helped them get their right to vote back.
There’s a reason Republicans have been fighting to deny them the vote.
X6, as
X3 said, I was taking the percentage enfranchised (5 of those who lost their right to vote) and applying it to the total disenfranchised (10% of Florida voting age population) and the result is around 0.5% of the total voting age population.
Okay so 0.25% of the voting age population.
Edited by Silasw on Sep 22nd 2020 at 6:43:12 PM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranAbsent the last part, it isn't wrong. Worst case scenario, a bunch more people get the right to vote back and we're back to the status quo (meaning polls are close). Besides, the Trump campaign likely doesn't have that spare money lying around.
Edited slightly for clarification
Edited by nova92 on Sep 22nd 2020 at 12:50:49 PM
Honestly, felons who are out of prison should have voting rights, especially when the state can't remember what fines they need to pay.
And as Nova said, the Trump campaign is strapped for cash due to huge amounts of inefficient spending and graft or outright fraud on the inside.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Yeah Trump spending money enfranchising voters would be a huge victory, it’s not going to happen though. Republicans didn’t take these people’s votes away by accident, the entire thing has been targeted from the start.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranWhile we're on the subject of voting rights for people convicted of felonies, California has a ballot measure to extend the vote to those who have finished their prison sentence but are on parole, which would enfranchise some 50,000 people.
For other election stuff on the ballot in November, Alaska and Massachusetts are looking at ranked-choice voting, Colorado is going to vote on the NPVIC. Virginia has an amendment creating a redistricting commission while Missouri has one removing theirs. Missouri is also considering term-limits for statewide officials. Details under the folder.
Alaska:
- Ballot Measure 2:
Changes to Alaska's election policies, including top-four primaries, ranked-choice voting, and campaign finance laws
- requiring persons and entities that contribute more than $2,000 that were themselves derived from donations, contributions, dues, or gifts to disclose the true sources (as defined in law) of the political contributions;
- replacing partisan primaries with open top-four primaries for state executive, state legislative, and congressional offices; and
- establishing ranked-choice voting for general elections, including the presidential election, in which voters would rank the candidates.
California:
- Proposition 17:
Restores the right to vote to people convicted of felonies who are on parole
- Currently, people convicted of felonies in California can vote after completing their prison sentence and parole. The Proposition, which has already passed both state leg. chambers, would allow them to vote after finishing their time in prison.
Colorado:
- Proposition 113:
Joins Colorado into the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, awarding Colorado's electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote
Florida
- Amendment 3:
Establishes a top-two open primary system for state office primary elections
- Only applies to primary elections, and current primaries are closed (only registered voters of each party can participate)
Massachusetts
Mississippi
Missouri
- Amendment 1:
Sets a two-term limit for state executive officials
- Amendment 3:
Addresses redistricting process and criteria, lobbying, and campaign finance
- eliminate the nonpartisan state demographer and use a bipartisan commission appointed by the governor again for legislative redistricting,
- alter the criteria used to draw district maps,
- change the threshold of lobbyists' gifts from $5 to $0, and
- lower the campaign contribution limit for state senate campaigns from $2,500 to $2,400.
Virginia
- Question 1:
Creates a redistricting commission to draw congressional and state legislative districts
Basically, it doesn't let experience get accumulated and newly elected officials have to turn to other sources for advice, those other sources typically being lobbyists.
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I think a big part of the appeal is that it prevents "the powers that be" from becoming completely entrenched, as we've seen with the likes of Mitch McConnell - the unfortunate part that people don't think about is that it would just create a new system in which power could become entrenched, or where "flash-in-the-pan" ideas would be far more prevalent.
Personally, I like the idea of them, but it'd have to be done in a reasonable manner. Two terms for a Senator is 12 years - a reasonable amount of time, but it can take a good while to really hit their groove in the position. If we kept the current setup, I'd argue 18 years per House of Congress - that way if a Representative is popular enough in their State, they could parlay that into a run in the Senate for a total of 36 years... but only if they're popular enough to make that switch.
Edited by ironballs16 on Sep 22nd 2020 at 4:28:10 AM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Term limits for congresspeople and Senators certainly make no sense, I can see the argument for positions of much higher power and authority like President, but I can also see the argument for abolishing them.
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."

Yes, literally Bloomberg can be said to have done one good thing in his life.
If only he'd done this instead of his stupid campaign.
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