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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#328426: Sep 22nd 2020 at 8:56:19 AM

I'll be stunned if anyone can ever trust a politician ever again after the Era of Terror-Trump...

I mean, four years and zero consequences for Trump and the GOP's actions?

You all see the problem here, right?

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#328427: Sep 22nd 2020 at 8:57:44 AM

[up]Well, yeah, that’s why the radical options are finally being put on the table.

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Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#328428: Sep 22nd 2020 at 8:57:59 AM

Yes, I see the problem of lumping all politicians together for the actions of one party.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#328429: Sep 22nd 2020 at 8:58:50 AM

[up] Same.

If you insist on all politicians being evil, don't be surprised when evil people get elected.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#328430: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:00:34 AM

Also, you'd have to discount Biden too. What, you think he isn't a politician?

Besides, we need politicians. We couldn't run a country, any country, without them. Politicians are what makes societies work. Or would you rather go back to kings and courts making the decisions?

Edited by Redmess on Sep 22nd 2020 at 6:01:59 PM

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#328431: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:00:56 AM

[up]x8 Considering what was at stake and she was 80+, probably yes. Everything she ever worked for is going to be systematically dismantled now.

In other news Trump tells white audience in Minnesota they have 'good genes'. Like holy shit...

Edited by Memers on Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:01:18 AM

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#328432: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:02:36 AM

I see Trump's obsession with eugenics hasn't let up.

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#328433: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:02:46 AM

I didn't say evil.

I will clarify: "Toothless" in the Blue Case and "EVIL" in the Red Case

The Democrats has not done nearly enough to stop and put Trump and the GOP in their place and the GOP has betrayed the American People in favor for their own personal interests.

This is the problem here.

How do you trust a party that can't do anything and another party that's out to hurt their own voters as much as possible before its members dies off from old age?

Edited by TitanJump on Sep 22nd 2020 at 6:04:29 PM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#328434: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:02:48 AM

You can't blame someone for dying two months early. Good grief...

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#328435: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:04:18 AM

[up][up]When was there an opportunity since 2017 for democrats to be able to do anything?

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#328436: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:04:31 AM

[up][up][up] What specific actions do you think Democrats could have taken that they didn't?


Edit: Washington Post - Mike Bloomberg raises $16 million to allow former felons to vote in Florida

Former New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg and his team have raised more than $16 million to pay the court fines and fees of nearly 32,000 Black and Hispanic Florida voters with felony convictions, an effort aimed at boosting turnout for Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden.

The money will go to fund a program organized by the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition to pay the fines, fees and restitution costs for former prisoners who are already registered to vote in Florida but barred by law from participating in the election because of those outstanding debts.

Good for him. Hopefully these people will be able to find out what they owe.

Edited by nova92 on Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:08:25 AM

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#328437: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:08:54 AM

[up]Well, when the Republicans refused to do their jobs and vote to confirm a Supreme Court judge, Obama could have gone over their heads and appointed one anyway.

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#328438: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:10:08 AM

SMH officials can't even shuffle off their mortal coils and ascend to lichdom like a proper necromancer

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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#328439: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:11:35 AM

[up][up]I can’t blame the democrats from then deciding the political blowback from doing exactly what McConnel ultimately did would have been counterproductive.

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#328440: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:12:30 AM

Doesn't the Senate need to confirm a Supreme Court Justice? GOP held the Senate when Scalia's seat was open.

Edited by nova92 on Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:13:03 AM

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#328441: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:13:31 AM

OK,googling the term reveals its a mystical sword,what good would that do in the present situation?

It had a number of powers. The most notable one was the ability to see into the future, and being able to change that future. Most of the time. Of course, in this case, every superpower has its price or caveat...

Edited by RainingMetal on Sep 22nd 2020 at 12:13:36 PM

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#328442: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:14:36 AM

Yes, hence why the Senate can block appointments.

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ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#328443: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:16:03 AM

We may need to rethink the placement of judges onto the Supreme Court as something requiring both the House and Senate to prevent these sort of shenanigans in the future.

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#328444: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:17:05 AM

Same.

If you insist on all politicians being evil, don't be surprised when evil people get elected.

Yeah. This cultural mindset is part of the problem. Democrats run on the platform, "We're the good ones, trust us." Republicans run on the platform, "The Democrats are just as evil as we are. At least you'll benefit from our crimes."

In a culture that heavily demonizes politicians, the Republican narrative winds up being more trustworthy. Voting for Democrats requires a level of trust that they honestly care about the country and mean to do the good things that they promise, and the bothsider "ALL POLITICIANS BAD" narrative makes it difficult for people to extend that trust.

The Republican narrative isn't even about building up Republicans as good, honest, trustworthy politicians. It's about eroding faith that any politician would be better than a Republican. It's about normalizing Republican shittiness so that voters won't hold their crimes against them at the voting booth, because "A Democrat would have done the same."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:18:24 AM

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#328445: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:17:06 AM

[up][up]Easier said than done depending on how much is specifically in the Constitution.

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:17:16 AM

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#328446: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:23:02 AM

If people want something insane and radical then rather than being angry at Ginsburg push for it.

The budget is up at the end of the month (and we have the first debate on Tuesday), you can contact Democrat politicians and ask that they put a “no you can’t put a nominee on the court right now” clause in the budget, and shut the government down if such a clause isn’t passed into law.

I don’t think that’s a particularly good idea, but pushing for it would be a dam sight more productive than getting angry at Ginsburg.

Look Democrats have given Trump every consequence they have to power to do, if Democrats don’t make him face consequences when they have the power to do so then that’s the time to complaint about them being spineless.

Edited by Silasw on Sep 22nd 2020 at 4:25:51 PM

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#328447: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:24:45 AM

edit.

Edited by nova92 on Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:27:26 AM

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#328448: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:29:04 AM

Doesn't the Senate need to confirm a Supreme Court Justice? GOP held the Senate when Scalia's seat was open.

Usually, yes. The thing is, however, that the Senate didn't vote against any candidates. They refused to hold a vote at all. There is precedent in cases where, if the Senate can't (or won't) do its job, the executive force is allowed to take action without their permission.

So if Obama was willing to play hard as well, he could have threatened to install a judge without a vote if they were so pointedly refusing, which would at least pressure them into voting, thus having to justify over and over again why perfectly decent candidates were unsuitable.

In theory. A lot of that is hindsight. Back then, it was normal to assume Republicans were still interested in governing by law, rather than pettiness, and it seemed likely that Hilary was going to win.

Edited by Kayeka on Sep 22nd 2020 at 6:30:03 PM

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#328449: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:31:54 AM

Obama tried doing recess appointments, the senate just refused to ever recess and when he tried to argue that they’d de-facto gone into recess the Supreme Court went 9-0 against him.

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#328450: Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:32:49 AM

With regards to the subject of court-packing, I found this video to be particularly interesting.

I've been a hold-out against the idea of packing the court and I'm still not really sure how I feel about the idea, but this video made a very interesting point: at the end of the day, Democrats fixate overmuch on the mechanisms of our democracy.

Republicans are playing to win. They want their agenda passed and they don't care how they get it.

Democrats are playing to keep the game fair. We're willing to surrender important fights to Republicans who flagrantly cheat out of an interest in keeping our own hands clean. We value preserving the rules of the game above the agendas we're trying to advance.

And maybe that's a problem.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 22nd 2020 at 9:33:37 AM

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