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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#328101: Sep 20th 2020 at 6:34:37 AM

Given what I know of Mary Trump, I wouldn't actually object to her getting a court position — certainly less so than many others at least. In a race for "least bad nominee..."

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 20th 2020 at 9:35:02 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#328102: Sep 20th 2020 at 6:40:21 AM

[up]x7 We've already had this thread be closed because of fearmongering, so leave if you are just going to do that, speedyboris.

Edited by CookingCat on Sep 20th 2020 at 6:44:11 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#328103: Sep 20th 2020 at 6:43:40 AM

I don't recall this being closed before,just mod warnings

Telling someone to Get Out! is so rude dude

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#328104: Sep 20th 2020 at 6:44:54 AM

[up] It was closed yesterday when news of RBG's death came in.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#328105: Sep 20th 2020 at 6:45:49 AM

I never noticed

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#328106: Sep 20th 2020 at 6:56:40 AM

Fearmongering would be something like "Trump is going to mass exterminate Democrats if he's re-elected!!!". There's been no indication that he would do that. By contrast, he has expressed his desire to rule for more than eight years, invalidate/challenge the election if he loses, and prevent people from voting. It's not fearmongering if he flat out says/does things alarming to democracy and should be called out on it.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#328107: Sep 20th 2020 at 7:01:39 AM

I'm still marveling that Chuck Grassley's twitter is a real thing that exists from an actual US Senator.

@POTUS If u don't hv time to call tell SecyKelly to call me [1]
@realDonaldTrump I'm always happy to go to WhiteHouse to discuss w u Tell Scaramucci not to use that filthy language around me he toldmedia [2]
@realDonaldTrump Ur tweet praising COS Kelly appropriate MarineTwins Kelly/Mattis"FrHalls of Montezuma2Shores of Tripoli" These generals Gr8 [3]
  • Thx for kennedy files release Ridiculous that CIA wants to review to redact YeGods u had fifty yrs NOW CIA WANTS FURTHER COVERUP/POTUS STOP [4]

He also is known for his ongoing feud with the History Channel.

Just turned to history channel. No history. I used to get history. Why do we h v such a channel when it doesnt do history [5]
I've turned to history. Channel. Several times this wkend always Pawn Shop. No history. Change nAme of channel to no history [6]
If u don't like history now is time to go HISTORY CHANNEL and u can watch PAWN STARS [7]
Hurry Hurry watch some history on History Channel before it disappears for something not so historical [8]

Edited by megaeliz on Sep 20th 2020 at 10:28:49 AM

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#328108: Sep 20th 2020 at 7:26:23 AM

>On History Channel

I mean, he's not wrong...

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#328109: Sep 20th 2020 at 7:30:59 AM

Not sure if this has been mentioned or is even relevant, given who we're dealing with, but the Lincoln Project tweeted a statement that "Under no circumstances should a nomination go forward in the United States Senate." with relation to Ginsberg's passing.


Also @TheHoarseWhisperer, the Twitter megaeliz would occasionally post from re: Trump's narcissism, had a take I hadn't seen re: the SCOTUS seat. I don't think he's right, but I'm curious if anyone agrees:

https://twitter.com/TheRealHoarse/status/1307107065442316297?s=19

Mark my words:

Regardless of what congressional Republicans want or don’t want, Trump won’t nominate someone to fill Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s SCOTUS sweat before the election.

Trump *wants* the election to be a referendum on who picks the next justice.

Trump doesn’t care if by rolling the dice and then losing the election he could cost Republicans a SCOTUS appointment.

Trump is only in this for Trump.

He doesn’t remotely care what Mitch McConnell might want.

When asked to clarify the statement they replied:

Trump wants Republican voters to *need him to win* to ensure a Republican picks the next Supreme Court justice.

If he rushed someone through before the election - if that were possible - they wouldn’t need him to win to pick the next justice because he already did.

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 20th 2020 at 7:38:26 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#328110: Sep 20th 2020 at 7:55:28 AM

It'd be the one time I ever was grateful for Trump. However, I don't believe it. Mitch would tell Trump that an extra SC justice would help him overturn a "bad" result.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#328111: Sep 20th 2020 at 7:57:21 AM

CNN was also running a story akin to that, that they are hoping to reinvigorate his campaign.

It’s scary but it might just work.

This October surprise came a little early...

Edited by Memers on Sep 20th 2020 at 8:00:39 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#328112: Sep 20th 2020 at 8:02:57 AM

I don't see any actual evidence that it will work.

For one simple reason:

Clinton led in most national polls, but was typically garnering support only in the low- to mid-40s. Biden’s share has been hovering around 50 percent. As a result, some of the uncertainty about the trajectory of the Trump-Biden race might be reduced, in part because there are simply fewer voters who haven’t made up their minds and because signs point to fewer third-party voters than in 2016. Combined, Clinton and Trump had secured 84 percent of support, on average, in national polls in early August 2016. By comparison, Biden and Trump currently combine for 92 percent.

There just aren't that many people who are going to change their minds at this rate. Not to mention that making it about the Supreme Court sounds like a great way to boost Democratic turnout too. I don't think it invigorating Trump's campaign is plausible or particarlly backed up by any facts.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 20th 2020 at 8:03:23 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#328113: Sep 20th 2020 at 8:10:58 AM

This speculation about holding off to energize the base is all moot because we already know his intentions. He wants to fill the seat as quickly as possible.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#328114: Sep 20th 2020 at 8:13:20 AM

I non-ironically want Trump to nominate his sister.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 20th 2020 at 8:14:54 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#328115: Sep 20th 2020 at 8:16:33 AM

That would probably be the absolute best case scenario if he were to push anyone through. Corruption would be an avenue of impeachment if it came to that.

Post above was [nja] edited...

Edited by Memers on Sep 20th 2020 at 8:17:34 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#328116: Sep 20th 2020 at 8:35:11 AM

Was wrong on certain details.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#328117: Sep 20th 2020 at 9:18:18 AM

That would probably be the absolute best case scenario if he were to push anyone through. Corruption would be an avenue of impeachment if it came to that.

The problem with impeachment is it requires 2/3rds of the Senate to vote yes, suffice to say that's not possible. Any majority the Dems have will be slight.

The only viable option is court-packing.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#328118: Sep 20th 2020 at 9:25:36 AM

Well the comment I was responding to said ‘Democrat but corrupt as hell’, so getting republican votes as well as democrat votes wouldn’t be completely out of the question.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#328119: Sep 20th 2020 at 9:58:25 AM

Trump approves Oracle, TikTok deal "in concept": Trump reportedly wanted assurance that the deal would include a payout to the US.

He got his deal, but now he wants to make sure he profits from it, too.

(Quoting Trump:) More than anything else, I said a very substantial portion of that price is going to have to come into the Treasury of the United States. Because we're making it possible for this deal to happen. Right now, they don't have any rights, unless we give it to them. So if we're going to give them the rights, then it has to come into, it has to come into this country. ... "So it'll close down on September 15th, unless Microsoft or somebody else is able to buy it, and work out a deal, an appropriate deal, so the Treasury of the— really the Treasury, I suppose you would say, of the United States, gets a lot of money. A lot of money.

So basically Trump is now trying to rip off a US company on top of shanghaiing a foreign product for his own market.

Edited by Redmess on Sep 20th 2020 at 7:01:20 PM

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#328120: Sep 20th 2020 at 11:12:46 AM

I know that Democratic candidates and organizations saw their donations SKYROCKET after the news broke. Anyone know if the GOP also got a surge?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#328121: Sep 20th 2020 at 11:17:04 AM

Maybe Trump and the GOP don't need send law enforcement to intimidate voters and poll workers, just get Trumpites to do it instead: a group of Trump supporters blocked the entrance to an early voting site in Fairfax, Virginia. They've since been disbursed.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#328122: Sep 20th 2020 at 11:18:55 AM

Here's a question. What if Trump nominates a second rapist for the Supreme Court, and because of that the hearings go on past inauguration day? Oh, and Biden wins the election, because otherwise it wouldn't matter.

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#328123: Sep 20th 2020 at 11:24:09 AM

[up][up]They weren't blocking the entrance. There was a small group of Trumpites waving flags in front of the building. People felt intimidated, but they didn't deny anyone entry.

ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#328124: Sep 20th 2020 at 11:25:51 AM

[up] While not in the way, it is illegal to do such actions within 100ft of a voting location.

Edited by ScubaWolf on Sep 20th 2020 at 2:26:17 PM

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#328125: Sep 20th 2020 at 11:26:32 AM

Lets hold off on the what ifs until he makes an actual nomination.

Also, it is going to be a woman, so likely not a rapist.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times

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