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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Like it'd make a difference. They called Obama a ruthless dictator despite him bending over backwards to try to compromise with Republicans.
They will hate us and demonize us no matter what we do.
No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!
It's better than letting another villain like Mc Connell do whatever he wants by breaking the rules.
3/5ths (60 Votes) would be much better then 3/4ths (75 Votes), but both would only make the most boring, middle of the road justices possible. 51 is a perfect number of votes needed, especially if we want to do away with the Filibuster. I'd also be for removing the Vice President's ability to break a tie for Court Appointments, as it's apparently never been done before, but that might require a Constitutional Amendment so we can just ignore that.
Well, one thing is for certain.
If the GOP are going to keep sliding out on the slippery slope into fascism and a dictatorship that they are so hellbent on getting, there will be a violent uprising in the future with the sole purpose to stop and remove them from their offices.
"Politicians are chosen by the people to serve the people and if they can't even do that, then the people have every right to remove them from those positions, by the "Second Amendment Rights" if necessary."
Because they (the GOP) have already proven time and time again that they really can't act responsible in any way, shape, or form, when it comes to power.
(And when I say "violent", I do mean "violent", as some people only have that much patience to burn before they hit their breaking point upon suffering indignation and indignation from these insufferable, self-entitled, political hacks that are the GOP.)
(Yes, inciting violence is wrong in all forms, but it's not like one can stop a volcano from erupting when the time comes and the signs are all there, All I'm doing here, is just pointing out that there's smoke coming out from the crater and nothing else. That's all.)
(Just wanted to clarify that.)
Democrats Blow Through All-Time Donation Records at ActBlue Following Justice Ginsburg’s Death
According to the New York Times, the nonprofit fundraising platform Act Blue broke single-hour donation records during the 9 p.m hour by hitting the $6.2 million mark and then again during the 10 p.m. hour by amassing another $6.3 million.
The record-shattering marks meant more than $100,000 per minute was collected by the left-leaning online group, the most since August 20 when the site saw their previous record set at $4.3 million during the final night of the Democratic National Convention.
One group, Get Mitch or Die Trying, created by Crooked Media which donates to Democratic candidates in 13 tightly contested Senate races, saw a burst of cash. The group’s founder and former member of the Obama administration, Tommy Vietor, tweeted about the nearly $6 million raised by 1:31 a.m. eastern time.
Seems the silver lining is that this turn of events really lit a fire under the Democratic voter base's collective ass.
If this doesn't get the Dems to turn out this election, nothing will.
No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!I've been on the fence about court packing for about as long as it's been a subject in this thread, but with this turn of events I'm firmly in the Packing camp. If Trump is able to appoint a third goddamn justice and form a conservative super majority on the court, then we are officially out of time and alternatives. Packing the court will be absolutely necessary to the long term survival of the country.
That said, there will absolutely be consequences for court packing, and we can't afford to pretend there won't be and fail to address them. Some kind of actual written rules and requirements for who nominees, new requirements to the nomination/confirmation process, maybe even requiring confirmation from the House in addition to the Senate, etc., to blunt the Republicans' ability to pack it right back.
We also have to be prepared for this to cost a lot of political capital and public opinion. Packing the court being no functionally different than what the Republicans have done doesn't matter to laypeople, the optics do. And the optics of creating a bunch of new seats on the court in rapid succession are much worse than the optics of filling a bunch of vacated existing seats in shady ways, especially given the gross double standard that our media and culture treats the Left and Right with. Even arguing that it's no different from the Republicans stealing seats and brute forcing appointments through will feed the both-sider idiots.
It's a bullet we have no choice but to bite. But it's also a bullet we have be to ready for the Republicans to try and shoot us with at every opportunity thereafter, and plan ahead for that.
Turnout doesn't matter much if the ballots are thrown out or "lost". Dems should use some of that money to organize and protect voting accessibility measures. Footing the bill for ballot drop boxes and security if that's legal, campaigns informing voters of how to ensure their absentee ballots get counted otherwise. Set up sites where voters can come in and get witness signatures in states where that's a requirement.
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Right, and the optics do matter, public opinion does matter, much as many here have a distaste for that. Packing the court will be a hollow victory if Democrats can't sell it to voters and if it scares centrists into voting Republican (not necessarily Trump) in the next elections in 2 or 4 years.
You really don't need to doomsay to be demoralized by that situation.
Edited by Redmess on Sep 19th 2020 at 9:23:20 PM
Hope shines brightest in the darkest timesThe simple fact is that Republicans don't play "by the rules" - they use every opportunity to rig the system in their favour whenever they have that ability, and Dems need to do it back, hard.
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."Optics are important because we want our victories to last. That shouldn't mean do nothing, it should mean whatever we do, do it smartly so it doesn't blow back in our faces the next election cycle.
The Senate Democrats had an emergency conference call and Schumer said this: "Let me be clear: if Leader Mc Connell and Senate Republicans move forward with this, then nothing is off the table for next year. Nothing is off the table."
It just hit me,Ruth's request for a new judge to be chosen once a new president is elected means in addition to getting a new present elected they also get a new judge chosen, giving democrat voters even more of an incentive to vote.
Edited by Ultimatum on Sep 19th 2020 at 7:46:21 PM
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverOh, no, Republicans very much play "by the rules." Mitch has rarely if ever actually broken one. It's just thoe rules are terrible and in their favor. Garland? Nothing in the rules said Mitch had to hold a vote. The judicial filibuster? The rules said he could get rid of it.
We kind of avoid admitting that the rules allow for bad faith actors to sabotage them. And it's startlingly easy to do so
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Impotently protesting while the GOP systematically dismantles your democracy is hardly good optics as it stands, and they absolutely love that the Dems still cling to the “they go low, we go high” principle because that just means they keep winning.
I wasn’t referring to the letter of the rules, I was referring to the democratic principle of not screwing over your opposition’s chances of winning while in office.
Edited by GoldenKaos on Sep 19th 2020 at 8:56:35 PM
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."Fuck the optics, do or die.
I... believe that's exactly what I said? We have to do this regardless of the optics. But that doesn't mean the optics aren't there, and won't have consequences that we have to plan ahead for.
Edited by Wryte on Sep 19th 2020 at 12:58:29 PM

Edited by ScubaWolf on Sep 19th 2020 at 1:01:46 PM
"In a move surprising absolutely no one"