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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#327826: Sep 19th 2020 at 7:57:05 AM

Why we lost every big name state in 2018 that we "actualy had a chance" to win, why more and more Trunp supporters and Qanon fanatics get elected to congreas every election?

This is misrepresenting the last few years. Democrats picked up 8 governorships in 2018 and 2019, and while Georgia, Ohio, and Florida were bitterly disappointing, that doesn't mean they lost every big name state. They picked up the super red states of Kansas and Kentucky and repudiated Trump-like candidates there. Republicans lost 40 seats in the House last election, and there will be 1 or 2 QAnon supporters elected to Congress. Democrats have a better chance than not of picking up more House seats this year, a better chance of wining the Senate.

I understand things are bleak, but it does no one a service to rewrite history to make it more depressing than it is.

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#327827: Sep 19th 2020 at 7:57:52 AM

According to some comments I've been reading, the smart move for Trump would be to make a big show out of not nominating anyone until after the election, because nominating and confirming a judge now would supercharge the democratic voters come November.

It's probably 60% wishful thinking, but still a possibility.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#327828: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:00:03 AM

and I also don't think they grasp how deeply the political situation has been destabilized by the Right

What is with the notion that the democrats as a party are less aware of the nature of the Republicans than random people on this forum?

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#327829: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:03:39 AM

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It would indeed be the smart move, plus it would incentivize Republican voters to make sure their side wins even if they have to hold their nose to do it. But Trump lacks any semblance of restraint, and thus won't do the smart move.

I'm genuinely surprised McConnell was dumb enough to make a comment about it prior to RBG's funeral, though - he could easily have turned that question around on the interviewer and insisted that such matters be set aside until she's laid to rest.

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Because those that have been in Congress for a long time would have memories of when bipartisan legislation and political horsetrading were the norms and not the exception.

Edited by ironballs16 on Sep 19th 2020 at 11:04:39 AM

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#327830: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:04:00 AM

[up][up][up]‘After the Election’ still means they could do it late November or early December. Which is actually a realistic timeframe for them to do it anyway, before the election is crazy quick, they usually take 2-4 months.

Edited by Memers on Sep 19th 2020 at 8:04:35 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#327831: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:06:06 AM

Mitch is incapable of caring about democracy. He doesn't believe in it. He also wants to Kill the Poor.

He ruined and cheated Kentucky's electoral system and destroyed my state.

He's worked hard to do the same for the nation as a whole.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#327832: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:06:09 AM

Or not... Trump Urges Decision on Supreme Court Pick ‘Without Delay’

Trump can’t wait...

Edited by Memers on Sep 19th 2020 at 8:07:32 AM

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#327833: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:11:44 AM

The Republicans have probably determined that that kind of conciliation is not what their base (or the politicians themselves) desire, and that secure judicial appointments at all cost are more important both yo their long-term power and for appealing to their base.

@Raineh Daze: It certainly fits with the long-term pattern of how the Democrats have reacted to increasing Republican reactionism in the past.

I guess I'm probably assuming ignorance as the source of what I think is a flawed strategy by the Democrats as opposed to them just committing to this strategy even in the face of rising Fascism from the Republicans and the right in general.

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#327834: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:13:32 AM

[up][up]...Whelp, then I guess best we can hope is that the "supercharging democrat voters" part of the prediction ends up being true. Losing the SC this badly is really, really bad, but if it means we're getting the presidency and congress, it should be mostly okay, right?

Edited by Kayeka on Sep 19th 2020 at 5:14:34 PM

ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#327835: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:18:01 AM

[up] With the Senate we could realistically either add more Supreme Court Justices or impeach ones that have shown themselves unfit to stay on the Court. If we win the Senate, we could basically undo everything horrible Trump and the Republicans have done, and fix it so they never are able to break things again.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#327836: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:20:01 AM

impeach

That requires 2/3 of the Senate for a conviction, which isn't happening. Court-packing can happen with a simple majority trifecta.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#327837: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:20:37 AM

Without the Senate, Congress is meaningless.

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#327838: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:21:51 AM

I thought the democrats already had the Senate? Or am I getting the two mixed up?

nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#327839: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:23:05 AM

They have the House but the GOP has the Senate; it's why the Supreme Court is a problem because the Senate is where confirmation hearings happen.

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#327840: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:23:26 AM

They have the House

Also, let's see who Trump actually nominates.

The issue is that Trump will see this as a lifeline, Turtle probably wants a young Federalist Society pick for the long term.

So let's hope once again for Confusion to the Enemy

Edited by 3of4 on Sep 19th 2020 at 5:24:58 PM

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#327841: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:26:22 AM

I'm genuinely surprised Mc Connell was dumb enough to make a comment about it prior to RBG's funeral, though - he could easily have turned that question around on the interviewer and insisted that such matters be set aside until she's laid to rest.

I don't think the Republicans would have waited until after her funeral regardless. What surprised and pissed me off was Mc Connell not having the restraint to at least wait until Monday, or heck even this morning, before he mentioned replacing her. But I guess Republicans are wringing their hands in glee for this opportunity.

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#327842: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:29:12 AM

[up][up] Lots of people seem to think Amy Coney Barrett will be the pick, but I don't know much about her.

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#327843: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:35:25 AM

[up][up][up]Should there really be a conflict between who they want to appoint?

Who ever Mcconell wants will probably side with Trump in an electoral case so it shouldn't matter.

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#327844: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:37:02 AM

Trump's being "defied" by SCOTUS this summer, with both Kavanaugh and Gorsuch "against" him.

I'm considering that this may play into it

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#327845: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:42:20 AM

A few of the local conservatives I know were genuinely scandalized by the fact that Ginsburg's death became political this quickly, largely blaming McConnell for it and agreeing with my assessment that the clever move for him being asked that question would have been "I'll answer that only after she's laid to rest." Because he didn't, he now looks like the opportunistic ghoul that he is.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#327846: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:44:30 AM

[up]While it's nice that they feel that way, I doubt they will change there vote come November because of that.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#327847: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:44:33 AM

You cannot shame Mitch Mc Connell.

He knows he's breaking the law.

He doesn't care.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#327849: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:48:47 AM

@ironballs: Yeah, that sounds too annecdotal to really matter.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#327850: Sep 19th 2020 at 8:52:19 AM

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If it were Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders, maybe - but these are Republicans who really don't like Trump on a personal level. Granted, we're also in NY, so it doesn't make a huge difference, but it could impact the down-ballot race of John Katko vs. Dana Balter, especially if Katko is dumb enough to go on the record supporting Mitch's move.

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