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#327701: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:32:43 PM

@Parable I see Murkowski claiming she would not vote until after election day.

Not a first-hand account, so take it with a grain of salt, but even then, the Exact Words are too obvious...

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Sep 18th 2020 at 8:33:13 AM

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#327702: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:33:44 PM

Merrick Garland was Obama's appointee. He should've used the bully pulpit more... You mean Gorsuch I think.

You're right, Gorsuch is who I meant. Thank you for the correction.

Adding more justices can't just be used as a threat, you'd still be leaving an overwhelming right-wing majority where one person appointed three judges for the exact purpose of being as ideologically extreme as possible.

The threat worked for the Court Franklin D. Roosevelt had; even though he failed in packing the courts, the threat of it happening was enough to mellow out the court, allowing for many of Roosevelt's later New Deal Policies to survive Court Challenges (before they were all just being struck down left and right). Unlike the 1930's, packing the Court today has, and will have, a lot more support (especially after Trump's Uberconservative is put in office), which will force the majority of the Court (barring the Uberconservative) to know where to draw the line with their rulings, specifically Abortion and LGBT+ rights.

"There's no way" is, of course, bullshit. They just need to work out some fancy way of making it sound like it's justified and carry on.

The majority of the Supreme Court would know, though, that the majority of American Citizens will not accept that. They know all their decisions have weight to them, they know the people are paying attention, and they know if they make one serious wrong move they're damning the court; Roberts saving Obamacare specifically. Roberts, Alito and Thomas would know that trying to rework a previous decision most of them were a part of would look so bad, and be a threat to the Constitution itself.

On top of that, Gorsuch has shown he has principles that he will not stray from, and that principle is Originalistic Constitutionalism, which he has shown again and again. For Gorsuch to throw out an Election he'd be going against everything he believes in and reveres. Kavanaugh I could see going either way, and the Uber Conservative would definitely side with Trump in any way.

Maybe I shouldn't have said "There's no way"; technically there's always a way. But as of now, I am very skeptical.

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#327703: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:34:14 PM

Resident doomsayer here. So it's against the rules.

Then will someone give me a little bit of hope? 'Cause I'm feeling pretty nauseous right now

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CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#327704: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:35:46 PM

There's just one and a half more months until the election, you sure they can just ram through a new judge in that amount of time? I think leaving the country might be a good idea for a lot of people- *Realizes most countries have banned Americans from travelling to them because of COVID* Fuck!

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#327705: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:36:32 PM

How old was Ginsburg anyway? And who is the next oldest Justice, now that she's no longer with us?

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#327706: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:36:56 PM

[up][up]I think they can, but they don’t need to be that quick: they also have the two months after that.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Sep 18th 2020 at 8:37:03 AM

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#327708: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:36:59 PM

Hearing that Trump will nominate someone in the next couple of days.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#327709: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:37:40 PM

@ Mr Hellboy As people have mentioned, packing the courts has been a long-discussed option, for one. Ending lifelong appointments is another. This may be the tipping point for the public of how rotten the current system of administering the Supreme Court may be, and persuade the public to accept not abolition, but major reform or overhaul of the Supreme Court.

Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 18th 2020 at 8:37:51 AM

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#327710: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:39:06 PM

[up]Anything that requires a Constitutional amendment (like ending lifetime appointments) will not happen. Too many states are far too red to allow that.

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#327711: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:39:34 PM

The main question is if they'll try to get it in before election day or claim they'll do it after the election (to use to get more conservative voters) and then do it between election day and a new congress if they lose the election.

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#327712: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:41:54 PM

[up]x2 Packing the Courts simply requires a simple law that says "The Supreme Court has X amount of Justices". No Constitutional Amendment required, as the Constitution left the Courts as vague as possible.

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#327713: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:42:04 PM

Whelp. So the Republicans have six seats on the Supreme Court now. That sucks.

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Draedi Since: Mar, 2019
#327714: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:42:56 PM

It doesn't matter what happens, now. Filled in, waited, etc.

SCOTUS as an institution is gonna die, whether it be by GOP fuckery, or Dems being forced to Pack it.

It's a ticking time bomb.

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#327715: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:43:41 PM

And who is the next oldest Justice, now that she's no longer with us?

That would be Justice Breyer, who I believe is 82 years old. Another liberal justice, so that's somewhat worrying, although I don't recall hearing any worries about his health recently.

Clarence Thomas, however, has held his seat the longest.

Anyway, the question I'm wondering is this - if enough Republican senators due in fact defect to block a nomination, then what would that do to their reelection chances?

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#327716: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:43:41 PM

[up][up][up][up]I was responding to Alley Oop's comment on lifetime appointments.

Edited by Ramidel on Sep 18th 2020 at 4:43:49 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#327717: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:43:56 PM

Whelp. So the Republicans have six seats on the Supreme Court now. That sucks.
They have five, with a very very good chance of a sixth within the next four/five months

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 18th 2020 at 5:44:28 AM

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#327718: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:46:35 PM

They have six. There's no scenario where they don't.

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#327719: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:46:42 PM

Rather worryingly, I was reading an article on Roberts' lifelong legacy of eroding voting rights if people further want to know what's at stake if we don't push as hard as we can to get Democrats in as many seats as possible this November.

Again do not doomsay over this or take this downward spiral for granted. Use this to energize yourself over what's at stake, and what we need to fight against once we've left the polls.

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#327720: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:47:27 PM

I do agree with Dingo Walley though, while Roberts and Gorsuch are bad about election rights, I don't think they're so far gone that they'd let Trump steal an election. Still this is very bad.

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#327721: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:47:42 PM

New York Magazine: back in August, Republican Senators John Thune (SD) and Lisa Murkowski (AL) said they will not vote for a new Supreme Court pick until 2021.

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#327722: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:47:57 PM

I'm hearing (but I'm just hearing, can't confirm) that Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) will not vote for anyone until after the Election.

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#327723: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:49:41 PM

After the election is likely the key phrase with Grassley.

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#327724: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:50:00 PM

Can we really trust anything Republicans say?

They'll claim they won't stand by it, then they'll hold a vote in the dead of night like when they tried to repeal the ACA

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#327725: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:51:28 PM

This topic is getting a cooldown lock. Seriously, people. I know this is shocking news, but can you please act with a modicum of decorum and common sense?

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 18th 2020 at 8:51:42 AM

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