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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#327626: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:48:20 PM

So, what, until the end of the month?

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#327627: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:48:46 PM

[up][up]Unless Biden decides to pack the courts, rights for women, minorities, and LGBTQ+ people can just be tossed in the trash now. Someone like Tom Cotton, who promised to overturn Roe v Wade is getting a seat and there's nothing we can do.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Sep 18th 2020 at 7:48:58 AM

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#327628: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:49:25 PM

They arnt going to wait for an election, they will put the most far right person they can find on the bench before said Election and doom the hell out of this country.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#327629: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:50:16 PM

They can try. At this point, they need to just arrest Mitch Mc Connell and his cronies on the street for various crimes they've committed. Don't let them cheat like they think.

They don't have immunity.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#327630: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:50:53 PM

Well, this was an interesting time to check on the state of the country.

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#327631: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:51:23 PM

Reminder that doomsaying is against the rules of this forum, no matter how tempting it may seem.

Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#327632: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:51:30 PM

[up]x3 Unfortunately, as the past four years have shown, "what they need to do" and "what they are willing and able to do" are worlds apart

EDIT: [nja]

Edited by Reflextion on Sep 18th 2020 at 7:51:54 AM

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
Boston Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#327633: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:52:38 PM

Well, we ALL know that a President can't nominate a Supreme Court Justice in the final year of their term ..................... right?

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#327634: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:53:59 PM
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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#327635: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:54:56 PM

[up][up][up][up] The first tweets by the people Trump mentioned were ‘Roe v Wade go bye bye’.

No doomsaying, it’s just reality.

Edited by Memers on Sep 18th 2020 at 4:55:57 AM

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#327636: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:55:41 PM

Can we please lay off the doomsaying?

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#327637: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:55:45 PM

I fall asleep for an hour and...

May your memory be a blessing, Justice Ginsburg. You will be missed.


To try to be optimistic, Trump and McConnell pushing through a Justice might be the thing that gets Democrats to say "screw this" and pack the courts.

Edited to reflect smokeycut's post [1]

Edited by nova92 on Sep 19th 2020 at 7:50:19 AM

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#327638: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:56:14 PM

@Boston, don't be silly. That rule only applies to Democrats. Republicans get to do whatever the fuck they want, because Jesus and the Free Market.

At this point, I think court packing is a requirement if Biden wins. Especially if a war criminal wannabe like Cotton (who wanted the most storied US military units to murder protestors) gets the seat.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#327639: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:56:20 PM

Thanks man, I could use some levity right now

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
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#327640: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:57:19 PM

The actual more immediate consideration is, obviously, that Trump and McConnell are going to try and push through a new appointment as soon as possible, then take the election results to a stacked Supreme Court.

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#327641: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:58:21 PM

I think we all need to keep in perspective that the Supreme Court isn't our Democracy. If Trump and McConnell successfully ram through another Uber Conservative, then that will inflame the Democrats who will come out in droves and in favor of packing the Court, and Biden will either pack the Court or threaten it with that action which would be enough to scare all the Conservatives (except for this new Uber Conservative).

Our Democracy isn't dead just because Ginsburg died; only if Trump wins a Second Term will our Democracy be in major trouble.

[up] There is no way Constitutionalists like Kavanaugh and Garland (especially Garland) will just throw away the Election. Even Alito and Thomas I have a hard time believing they'd do that. There's already precedent as well that you can't just throw away an Election because the results are in dispute (Gore v. Bush, 2000). Only the Uber Conservative they ram through would give it any serious consideration.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Sep 18th 2020 at 8:00:50 AM

SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#327642: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:59:50 PM

Rip Ginsburg. She was a great judge and amazing at keeping Trump’s insanity at bay.

Damn it. Things are getting bad. Why does 2020 gotta do this? We need Biden to win, or else...

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#327643: Sep 18th 2020 at 4:59:54 PM

The problem is that George W. Bush was illegally elected by a conservative court's treason.

It's not doomsaying to believe our democracy is in danger.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 18th 2020 at 5:00:11 AM

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AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#327644: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:00:29 PM

[up]x4 This is probably the MO. Though, they're going to kill two birds with one stone and try to roll back any civil rights legislation they can.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Sep 18th 2020 at 8:01:11 AM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
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#327645: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:01:33 PM

[up]x4 Adding more justices can't just be used as a threat, you'd still be leaving an overwhelming right-wing majority where one person appointed three judges for the exact purpose of being as ideologically extreme as possible.

"There's no way" is, of course, bullshit. They just need to work out some fancy way of making it sound like it's justified and carry on.

Edited by RainehDaze on Sep 18th 2020 at 1:02:29 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#327646: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:02:06 PM

Democracy has been dealt a major blow but we aren't completely without weapons. As mentioned before there is the court stacking option, not to mention the more radical Democrats will be empowered to take more dramatic action. And while I still consider it to be a measure of absolute last resort, if push comes to shove, the revolutionaries will step forth.

It's not doomsaying to believe our democracy is in danger.

Correct, I'm willing to admit I'm in the same boat. But people are running around like beheaded chickens declaring that democracy is dead, dead, dead and buried in the ground. When as mentioned before we aren't without options, even if we're approaching "smash the glass in case of emergency" conditions.

Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 18th 2020 at 8:04:12 AM

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#327647: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:03:31 PM

[up] ...If you're talking like this, that's starting to force it to sink in how bad that is.

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
Draedi Since: Mar, 2019
#327648: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:03:53 PM

Sorry, folks. Court packing is the only way we save our democracy. Conservatives, simply cannot be trusted to govern.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#327649: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:04:08 PM

Merrick Garland was Obama's appointee. He should've used the bully pulpit more... You mean Gorsuch I think.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#327650: Sep 18th 2020 at 5:04:16 PM

Just because I think it needs to be asked, what are the chances of preventing them from just ramming some unqualified ideologue through?


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