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chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#32726: Oct 15th 2012 at 5:09:59 PM

@Kotsya: According to my dad, the Department of Labor said that they excluded one large state from the statistics compared with previous years, but I'll have to check.

edited 15th Oct '12 5:11:08 PM by chihuahua0

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#32727: Oct 15th 2012 at 5:11:34 PM

[up]?

That just seems like grasping at straws and attempting to fabricate an explanation that takes credit from Obama. What possible reason could they have to do that?

edited 15th Oct '12 5:12:21 PM by Kostya

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#32728: Oct 15th 2012 at 5:19:36 PM

About death panels and people who decide if homeophathy should really be bought on government money...

The British version: called NICE and their Wikipedia page, if you can't be bothered to look through the bumf. smile Enjoy.

Oh: note the lack of death's heads, scythes and general creepiness. But, look at all the ink. Lots and lots and lots of ink. Heck: I trust these guys more than I do a batch of privately owned insurance companies I can't get an ombudsman to yell at. tongue And, hey: at least I know who to complain about when things go belly up. tongue

edited 15th Oct '12 5:23:34 PM by Euodiachloris

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#32729: Oct 15th 2012 at 5:20:16 PM

Now I want to create a Civil War Thread, but I just know that the Mods would never give it a green light. tongue

Obama weighs in on Nicki Minaj, Mariah Carey’s ‘American Idol’ feud'

Of the ways in which a president has interacted with popular culture, this is quite a step down from Nixon shaking hands with Elvis.

edited 15th Oct '12 5:21:23 PM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#32730: Oct 15th 2012 at 5:26:18 PM

@Kotsya: Well, excluding one state from a survey it was apart of every year is a valid concern, especially if it was a large state.

Now, I'm still looking for the official source.

Yuanchosaan antic disposition from Australia Since: Jan, 2010
antic disposition
#32731: Oct 15th 2012 at 5:27:14 PM

Huh, okay. Thanks for the information, everyone.

I don't know about the US, but I've heard there's something similar in the Australian hospital system. Hospitals have limited resources, like organs and expensive medication. Unfortunately, that means sometimes advisory boards (with doctors and health economists, not bureaucrats) have to decide whether a patient will really benefit from a treatment, or whether it would be better to give that treatment to someone else (the other patient will still receive treatment, just not optimal care). It's heartbreaking, but has to be done. More healthcare funding would help.

"Doctor Who means never having to say you're kidding." - Bocaj
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#32732: Oct 15th 2012 at 5:30:23 PM

Charity president: Paul Ryan "did nothing" at soup kitchen photo-op

And he was not authorized to be on the premises.

Our potential VP ladies and gentlemen!

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#32733: Oct 15th 2012 at 5:32:49 PM

[up][up]Not sure how Australia deals with it, but... the UK has the NICE guidelines that stipulate how a condition is supposed to be treated. If a care authority can be shown not to be following the NICE guidelines by refusing suggested treatment pathways, you can take 'em to the cleaners, regardless of local resource issues, sometimes.

Granted, with some conditions, you'll probably be dead by the time you get a legal ruling, but at least your family will get the compensation and the NHS Authority will get a slap on the wrist and have to face further investigations. tongue

edited 15th Oct '12 5:35:14 PM by Euodiachloris

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#32734: Oct 15th 2012 at 5:35:16 PM

[up][up]Can you imagine if Obama or Biden did that? Fortunately this is on CBS so it might actually get noticed by people.

[up][up][up][up]I have a feeling there is no official source. There's no rational reason for them to do this and given the professionalism of the BLS I doubt they'd make such a glaring mistake. It just sounds like a right wing myth that was cooked up to "explain" the numbers in a way that doesn't make Obama look good.

edited 15th Oct '12 5:36:26 PM by Kostya

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#32735: Oct 15th 2012 at 5:38:49 PM

[up]Wow: it takes cynical media manipulation to... interesting depths. Hope the charity can take him to court for the breaches of their rules for the one...

And, that you can sort out what the heck is going on with the other. It still smells... rather baked. tongue

edited 15th Oct '12 5:44:29 PM by Euodiachloris

chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#32736: Oct 15th 2012 at 5:39:59 PM

[up][up] Still looking...

...but here's one secondary source. At least two major sources, both left and right, has support it, with no refutes.

Still, I'm skeptical.

edited 15th Oct '12 5:41:01 PM by chihuahua0

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#32737: Oct 15th 2012 at 5:44:18 PM

[up]I'll have to verify the authenticity of that site but if true then that's depressing. That doesn't mean it didn't drop though. It could have just been a very slight drop.

edited 15th Oct '12 5:44:28 PM by Kostya

HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#32738: Oct 15th 2012 at 5:51:38 PM

Even Romney admits the economy is getting better. Considering the state it was in when Obama took office, he would have to fuck up massively for it to get worse. What we should be concerned about is whether or not the average person is benefiting the most from the recovery, or if they're lagging behind the rich in terms of income growth. Hint: it's the latter. Of course, the idea that Romney will do any better in that respect is an absurd delusion.

There are legitimate criticisms to be made about Obama, but looking to Republicans for them is a horrible idea. These people don't paint an accurate picture of Obama's accomplishments or failures, and at every other time they are beneath our contempt. Why accept their conspiratorial claims about the job numbers as a framework for discussion, then?

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#32739: Oct 15th 2012 at 5:53:12 PM

[up][up][up]I am skeptical that it isn't revealed which large state didn't file that data.

[up] Date: January 20th. I can't even count how many times Willard has changed his position since then.

edited 15th Oct '12 5:54:17 PM by RadicalTaoist

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
LooseCannon The Groose Is Loose from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jun, 2012
The Groose Is Loose
#32740: Oct 15th 2012 at 5:57:47 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/romney-wont-face-view-181131618--abc-news-politics.html

Since when was The View 'high risk'?

Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#32741: Oct 15th 2012 at 6:04:22 PM

If he's going by my parents logic it's because appearing on that is unbecoming of the President. I know they hate Obama for the fact that he showed up on The View.

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#32742: Oct 15th 2012 at 6:12:41 PM

Showing up on little talk shows does seem a little low. I don't hold it against him, but personally I doubt I would.

I'm baaaaaaack
johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Actual Wrestling Legend
#32743: Oct 15th 2012 at 6:56:35 PM

Is this a strategy to win over female voters? Because they find Ryan handsome?

I'm a skeptical squirrel
Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
oldtimeytropey
#32744: Oct 15th 2012 at 7:01:44 PM

There's 300+ million people to campaign to and the popular vote is close nearly every election. It may look like a large difference due to the electoral college, but the popular vote result in nearly always 52/48.

Plus, it personalizes him and gets his image out there on one of the highest rated talk shows in the country; plus, the show is more middle-brow than low-brow.

edited 15th Oct '12 7:11:45 PM by Completion

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#32745: Oct 15th 2012 at 7:03:18 PM

Hillary Clinton takes "responsibility" for Benghazi attack

[up][up]

He got the eyes and body

So you know he gon’ be struttin’.

edited 15th Oct '12 7:09:11 PM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
oldtimeytropey
#32746: Oct 15th 2012 at 7:06:39 PM

[up] Oh fuck, this is going to be what the entire debate is about. Romney is fantastic in debates (all the way back to 199something when he ran against Ted Kennedy [until he gaffed in it]) and this gives him a subject to constantly address and slam Obama on.

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#32747: Oct 15th 2012 at 7:08:37 PM

I really wonder what the people will ask the candidates tomorrow, since it's going to be in town meeting format.

Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
oldtimeytropey
#32748: Oct 15th 2012 at 7:10:08 PM

Iran, Libya, Arab Spring (maybe... that did happen over two years ago), China, some guy who got through asking about jobs/healthcare.

edited 15th Oct '12 7:10:38 PM by Completion

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#32749: Oct 15th 2012 at 7:12:25 PM

[up]

No Syria?

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#32750: Oct 15th 2012 at 7:12:41 PM

What? The foreign debate is next Monday.


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