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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
The alt-right’s usage of deep state is tied fundamentally to the American right’s hostility to government. They’re attacking the one part of the government that does its job no matter who’s in power. It’s because of these guys that you not only need government, but want government. So to the Right, they have to go.
It also helps them square the circle of how their chosen candidate has entirely failed to implement his promises and radically alter the country in favor of white nationalism. The thing about a strongman that you have to be y'know strong and few things look weaker than a paucity of accomplishments. A nebulous conspiracy helps rationalize the self-evident lack of success.
Conservative opposition to regulations particularly irritates me. Those people see mega corporations dumping waste in the water they drink, and they think there's nothing wrong with that. They'll happily poison themselves and sing the praises of the corporations that are actively killing them.
It helps that for many of these people it's not where they drink, that's what the local working class (who are probably people of color) are for.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 17th 2020 at 1:37:31 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangI just replied to a local news tweet
about the Pennsylvania court ruling shutting the Greens out of the ballot. Got a reply from the local Green Party and wondered how far I could milk it.
The Green Party in the U.S. is basically a front for Russian anti-democracy disinformation, being propped up as a spoiler by Republicans and Putin alike. Note how they didn't deny Russian funding.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I do find it concerning how many hoops third parties have to jump through to even get on the ballot in the US, but dear god is it hard to sympathise with the Green Party of all people.
I’d say that the rules should be changed so that a third party can more easily get ballot access, then the Green Party should be banned from the ballot for being undeclared foreign agents.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranThe other great Conservative power is Denial.
And it would have been such an easy lie to make!
My musician pageI, as an enlightened centrist, must say that I can understand all points of view and think we can find a middle ground somewhere betwen a functional democracy and an authoritarian ethnostate. Maybe instead of ALL minorities we just exterminate one? Is this a fair comrpomise?
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesThe Green Party isn't really left, though. It's anti-. There's a difference. You can say that you're for addressing climate change and pay equality and stuff, but if you ignore social justice, use insurrection tactics, appeal to anti-science nitwits, and accept support from authoritarians, you're not actually left-wing. You're just a different flavor of authoritarian.
The Greens don't want to compromise or engage with democratic processes: they want their way or the highway. All or nothing. We get what we want or we sabotage you.
They aren't about kidnapping immigrants' children, putting them in cages, and sterilizing them, but that doesn't make them good; it just makes them less evil.
Edited by Fighteer on Sep 17th 2020 at 4:53:48 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Also, I’m sure that I’m preaching to the choir here, but the assumption that the green party actually cares about things like climate change that they claim to care about is a generous one to say the least.
My musician pageWell, yeah. The fact that the Greens are accepting Russia's money, of all things, tells me they don't give a damn about the environment. Russia is a petrostate that staunchly opposes clean energy.
Edited by Fighteer on Sep 17th 2020 at 4:55:29 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
Well, no - because killing all minorities is the goal, but only killing half of all minorities wouldn't actually achieve that goal's aim.
Edit: Thankfully this wasn't a page-topper!
Edited by ironballs16 on Sep 17th 2020 at 5:06:59 AM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"No, no, he means that we half-kill each minority person. So, like, beat them up a little or something.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
Choke ALL of the incompetents HALF to death.
@Fighteer, your post — while fun — looks suspiciously like importing/exporting drama (though it's possible I haven't completely understood what that means).
...or maybe it just looks like bragging.
Edited by Medinoc on Sep 17th 2020 at 11:10:29 AM
"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."Well, it's kind of both, but it's also relevant because this is a social media conversation with an actual representative of the Green Party. They are saying things that are indicative of their party's views. It's not a random conversation with a random Twitter troll (except in as much as one views the Green Party as trolls inherently).
Edited by Fighteer on Sep 17th 2020 at 5:10:02 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I’d argue that there’s a difference between the left and “people who assert that they are left wing”, especially on the Internet, where people have at times been known to lie and misrepresent themselves.
Edited by Silasw on Sep 17th 2020 at 9:10:27 AM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranPeople do not always accurately diagnose their political leanings. We already make fun of enlightened centrists (who are just republicans in denial, typically), but it's both common to see people call themselves left while clearly being right, or rightwing while espousing basic leftwing beliefs. I partly blame that for not really thinking about their own politics and simply assuming they're wherever they think sensible is, and partly about not understanding exactly how left left can be and how right right.
Edited by devak on Sep 17th 2020 at 11:16:02 AM
This is why I don't identify myself primarily as any label. I have beliefs, and I fit myself into categories based on how well my beliefs match those categories, not the other way around.
I am a registered Democrat, and most of my beliefs line up with the Democratic party platform, but I am not forming my beliefs on the basis of that platform, or what positions any particular Democrat holds.
Edited by Fighteer on Sep 17th 2020 at 5:18:56 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I’d argue that there’s a difference between the left and “people who assert that they are left wing”, especially on the Internet, where people have at times been known to lie and misrepresent themselves.
I'm sure Russian bots exist but I don't think it's very useful to hyper-focus on them. For the Bernie or Bust movement to exist you just need people who really dislike Biden and don't actually include harm-reduction in their set of principles. Even if Russia stopped caring about American politics tomorrow there would still be reason for such a group of people to exist.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 17th 2020 at 2:19:24 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang

Conservative opposition to regulations particularly irritates me. Those people see mega corporations dumping waste in the water they drink, and they think there's nothing wrong with that. They'll happily poison themselves and sing the praises of the corporations that are actively killing them.