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#327426: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:28:31 PM

Conservative opposition to regulations particularly irritates me. Those people see mega corporations dumping waste in the water they drink, and they think there's nothing wrong with that. They'll happily poison themselves and sing the praises of the corporations that are actively killing them.

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#327427: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:28:47 PM

The alt-right’s usage of deep state is tied fundamentally to the American right’s hostility to government. They’re attacking the one part of the government that does its job no matter who’s in power. It’s because of these guys that you not only need government, but want government. So to the Right, they have to go.

It also helps them square the circle of how their chosen candidate has entirely failed to implement his promises and radically alter the country in favor of white nationalism. The thing about a strongman that you have to be y'know strong and few things look weaker than a paucity of accomplishments. A nebulous conspiracy helps rationalize the self-evident lack of success.

Conservative opposition to regulations particularly irritates me. Those people see mega corporations dumping waste in the water they drink, and they think there's nothing wrong with that. They'll happily poison themselves and sing the praises of the corporations that are actively killing them.

It helps that for many of these people it's not where they drink, that's what the local working class (who are probably people of color) are for.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 17th 2020 at 1:37:31 AM

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#327428: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:31:04 PM

That also means Trump could rig the election and still be president. The blade cuts both ways.

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#327429: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:32:05 PM

I just replied to a local news tweet about the Pennsylvania court ruling shutting the Greens out of the ballot. Got a reply from the local Green Party and wondered how far I could milk it.

Me: "The Green Party has no interest in participating in democracy. It's a spoiler party, trying to disrupt the electoral process in a desperate bid to get people to listen to its insanity. If it wants to be on the ballot, it needs to follow the rules like everyone else."

Greens: "They did, the lower court said they did. This decision was made by Dems. This was a partisan attack against Democracy. The un-Democratic Party needs to be reprimanded. We will never vote for Biden. Writing in Howie. #NeverBidenNeverTrump"

Me: "By the way, how much of your funding is in rubles? Say hi to Vladimir for me."

Greens: "Funny you should mention Russia, this is exactly how Putin’s Party became impossible to beat. They absorbed the smaller parties, intimidated voters, and forced people to endorse his party. But go ahead with your original jokes."

Me: "Republicans are intimidating voters. Russia is trying to prevent Biden from winning. You are getting funding from Putin. But go ahead and keep attacking Democrats for being anti-democracy. You're killing it."

Green: "I would say suppressing the vote of an entire political party is right in line with Trump. Both parties are Authoritarian. The Democrats just have nicer boots(Timbs)on your throat. Biden is preventing Biden from winning. The DNCs choice again fails to meet this moment."

Me: "Classic "both sides" mentality. Dems aren't anywhere close to Reps, but you have to pretend they are to justify your own existence."

The Green Party in the U.S. is basically a front for Russian anti-democracy disinformation, being propped up as a spoiler by Republicans and Putin alike. Note how they didn't deny Russian funding.

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#327430: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:36:29 PM

I do find it concerning how many hoops third parties have to jump through to even get on the ballot in the US, but dear god is it hard to sympathise with the Green Party of all people.

I’d say that the rules should be changed so that a third party can more easily get ballot access, then the Green Party should be banned from the ballot for being undeclared foreign agents.

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#327431: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:38:10 PM

Conservative opposition to regulations particularly irritates me. Those people see mega corporations dumping waste in the water they drink, and they think there's nothing wrong with that. They'll happily poison themselves and sing the praises of the corporations that are actively killing them.
No, y'see, the Conservatives aren't seeing mega corporations aren't dumping waste in the water they drink.

The other great Conservative power is Denial.

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#327432: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:38:19 PM

Note how they didn’t deny Russian funding.

And it would have been such an easy lie to make!

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#327433: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:40:41 PM

I, as an enlightened centrist, must say that I can understand all points of view and think we can find a middle ground somewhere betwen a functional democracy and an authoritarian ethnostate. Maybe instead of ALL minorities we just exterminate one? Is this a fair comrpomise?

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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#327434: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:41:15 PM

@Fighteer [awesome]Great work calling out the Trump collaborators.

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#327435: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:41:18 PM

they can't be Russian agents,they didn't reply in cyrillic

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#327436: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:49:41 PM

What I find dismaying this election season is the "both parties are both bad!" sentiment coming from the left.

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#327437: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:51:34 PM

The Green Party isn't really left, though. It's anti-. There's a difference. You can say that you're for addressing climate change and pay equality and stuff, but if you ignore social justice, use insurrection tactics, appeal to anti-science nitwits, and accept support from authoritarians, you're not actually left-wing. You're just a different flavor of authoritarian.

The Greens don't want to compromise or engage with democratic processes: they want their way or the highway. All or nothing. We get what we want or we sabotage you.

They aren't about kidnapping immigrants' children, putting them in cages, and sterilizing them, but that doesn't make them good; it just makes them less evil.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 17th 2020 at 4:53:48 AM

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#327438: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:54:18 PM

Also, I’m sure that I’m preaching to the choir here, but the assumption that the green party actually cares about things like climate change that they claim to care about is a generous one to say the least.

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#327439: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:55:04 PM

Well, yeah. The fact that the Greens are accepting Russia's money, of all things, tells me they don't give a damn about the environment. Russia is a petrostate that staunchly opposes clean energy.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 17th 2020 at 4:55:29 AM

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devak They call me.... Prophet Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#327440: Sep 17th 2020 at 2:01:22 PM

[up]x8 A true enlightened centrist would point out that killing exactly half of every minority would be fairer than killing one entirely.

Edited by devak on Sep 17th 2020 at 11:01:39 AM

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#327441: Sep 17th 2020 at 2:04:23 PM

And for all their talk about the climate, they tolerate a lot of anti-science positions.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#327442: Sep 17th 2020 at 2:06:22 PM

[up][up]

Well, no - because killing all minorities is the goal, but only killing half of all minorities wouldn't actually achieve that goal's aim.

Edit: Thankfully this wasn't a page-topper!

Edited by ironballs16 on Sep 17th 2020 at 5:06:59 AM

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Lost in Space
#327443: Sep 17th 2020 at 2:07:15 PM

No, no, he means that we half-kill each minority person. So, like, beat them up a little or something.

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#327444: Sep 17th 2020 at 2:07:39 PM

[up][up]Choke ALL of the incompetents HALF to death. tongue

@Fighteer, your post — while fun — looks suspiciously like importing/exporting drama (though it's possible I haven't completely understood what that means).

...or maybe it just looks like bragging.

Edited by Medinoc on Sep 17th 2020 at 11:10:29 AM

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Lost in Space
#327445: Sep 17th 2020 at 2:08:58 PM

Well, it's kind of both, but it's also relevant because this is a social media conversation with an actual representative of the Green Party. They are saying things that are indicative of their party's views. It's not a random conversation with a random Twitter troll (except in as much as one views the Green Party as trolls inherently).

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 17th 2020 at 5:10:02 AM

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#327446: Sep 17th 2020 at 2:09:42 PM

What I find dismaying this election season is the "both parties are both bad!" sentiment coming from the left.

I’d argue that there’s a difference between the left and “people who assert that they are left wing”, especially on the Internet, where people have at times been known to lie and misrepresent themselves.

Edited by Silasw on Sep 17th 2020 at 9:10:27 AM

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#327447: Sep 17th 2020 at 2:15:34 PM

People do not always accurately diagnose their political leanings. We already make fun of enlightened centrists (who are just republicans in denial, typically), but it's both common to see people call themselves left while clearly being right, or rightwing while espousing basic leftwing beliefs. I partly blame that for not really thinking about their own politics and simply assuming they're wherever they think sensible is, and partly about not understanding exactly how left left can be and how right right.

Edited by devak on Sep 17th 2020 at 11:16:02 AM

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#327448: Sep 17th 2020 at 2:18:33 PM

[up] This is why I don't identify myself primarily as any label. I have beliefs, and I fit myself into categories based on how well my beliefs match those categories, not the other way around.

I am a registered Democrat, and most of my beliefs line up with the Democratic party platform, but I am not forming my beliefs on the basis of that platform, or what positions any particular Democrat holds.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 17th 2020 at 5:18:56 AM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#327449: Sep 17th 2020 at 2:18:48 PM

I’d argue that there’s a difference between the left and “people who assert that they are left wing”, especially on the Internet, where people have at times been known to lie and misrepresent themselves.

I'm sure Russian bots exist but I don't think it's very useful to hyper-focus on them. For the Bernie or Bust movement to exist you just need people who really dislike Biden and don't actually include harm-reduction in their set of principles. Even if Russia stopped caring about American politics tomorrow there would still be reason for such a group of people to exist.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 17th 2020 at 2:19:24 AM

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#327450: Sep 17th 2020 at 2:26:36 PM

Trump announces he signed an executive order to establish a committee to promote patriotic education; calls out the 1619 project.

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