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#327401: Sep 17th 2020 at 8:11:58 AM

Both can be true. Remember that a core tenet of fascism is that the outsider is always suspect, if not outright an enemy, and also that national identity trumps everything else. For the KKK, Germans are the outsiders and foreigners, while for the Germans, the KKK are outsiders and foreigners. So it happens that the two groups, who are otherwise similar, don't see eye to eye because they don't view each other as part of the same master race.

They might have at some times because Nazism was on the decline. When in decline (or not yet strong enough), fascism is still fairly inclusive and tolerant of those that don't belong directly to the core group. As they gain power, they will shed more and more of these satellite groups until only the core group remains.

And since we are talking about WWII, when Nazi Germany and the KKK were at their height, you see that both groups reject each other as the outsider, the foreigner, not really "us".

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#327402: Sep 17th 2020 at 9:06:29 AM

Nazism explicitly puts Germanic blood and lineage on a pedestal, a trait that a lot of right-wing sympathizers amusingly tend to forget. And given that Germany proper is doing all it can to denounce this ideology as an Old Shame...

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#327403: Sep 17th 2020 at 9:14:02 AM

What next? Is Biden an illegal alien sent here from a dying planet? Was he a smuggler in his youth, who helped militant radicals overthrow a far right empire?

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#327405: Sep 17th 2020 at 10:13:25 AM

The "traditional" KKK hates the Nazis because their fathers/grandfathers fought in World War 2 and because they see themselves as Christian Traditionalists.

But many modern chapters of the Klan have thrown in their lot with the Alt-Right and the Neo Nazis.

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#327406: Sep 17th 2020 at 10:24:40 AM

https://www.axios.com/cook-arizona-leans-democratic-b8b3d35f-803a-48d3-9f85-4bdc8580d733.html The Cook Political Report has changed their classification of Arizona being a "toss-up" to "lean democratic" because of changing attitudes in Phoenix. Currently, Arizona's aggregate of polls on 538 has Biden with a 4.3 point lead.

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#327407: Sep 17th 2020 at 10:30:15 AM

[up]Awesome.

God, I hate PragerU. They present themselves so insidiously as a calm, factual, science-based source of infotainment, but they're really just peddling ugly Republican propaganda, dressed up as pretty as they can. Any time I see one of their ads, it just makes me disgusted and worried about all the people watching them who aren't familiar with their agenda.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 17th 2020 at 10:31:13 AM

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#327408: Sep 17th 2020 at 10:37:26 AM

Speaking of agendas, the Republicans are putting more money and effort into getting the Green Party onto swing state ballots than the actual Green Party. Didn't work in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, or Minnesota though.

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#327409: Sep 17th 2020 at 10:57:22 AM

Re: the Deep State. It’s a term that originated to describe the cabal of military men and bureaucrats that often act independently of the elected government in places like Turkey or Greece with histories of coups. It’s used to explain how institutions are able to bake in the kind of informal authority that allows them to do that in the country’s political culture.

It didn’t mean the guy five layers down in the bureaucracy of, say, the State Department who stays on no matter what because he’s a lifer with the expertise to keep things moving. That’s the opposite of the deep state. The authority of the elected government usually isn’t fatally undermined by these guys — quite the opposite.

The alt-right’s usage of deep state is tied fundamentally to the American right’s hostility to government. They’re attacking the one part of the government that does its job no matter who’s in power. It’s because of these guys that you not only need government, but want government. So to the Right, they have to go.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Sep 17th 2020 at 1:58:36 PM

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#327410: Sep 17th 2020 at 11:03:00 AM

[up][up][up] And these terrible animations, that are supposed to make their videos look like soooo high-production value.

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#327411: Sep 17th 2020 at 11:08:03 AM

What I don't get is that these people are anti-establishment freaks and value "personal liberty" above all else, as shown by how prone they are to conspiracy theories about this all encompassing deep state cabal (and saying that wearing masks is a sign of slavery/obedience), but at the same time fanatically support the conservative establishment and conspiracy peddlers.

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#327412: Sep 17th 2020 at 11:09:46 AM

The biggest hypocrisy in this "Small government" talk for me will always be their support for the death penalty.

Oh sure, they want the state to have as little power as possible, while literally giving it the right to end your fucking life.

Edited by Forenperser on Sep 17th 2020 at 8:09:55 PM

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#327413: Sep 17th 2020 at 11:11:23 AM

They support their own personal liberty to do anything they want. If everyone was unfettered to do anything they wanted, the guy capable of the most violence wins.

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#327414: Sep 17th 2020 at 11:16:58 AM

Basically "small government" means "a government that caters exclusively to me, personally."

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#327415: Sep 17th 2020 at 11:17:30 AM

They probably think themselves immune to the targeting of capital punishment anyway.

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#327417: Sep 17th 2020 at 11:23:01 AM

> Oh sure, they want the state to have as little power as possible, while literally giving it the right to end your fucking life.

Their idea is that the state has little power as possible over them,but not over people they don't approve of and consider criminals,according to them criminals should have no legal rights and the state should be allowed to do what they want with them.

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#327418: Sep 17th 2020 at 11:24:44 AM

The state is the instrument of their freedom and nobody else's. They get to do whatever they want and dictate exactly what other people can and cannot do.

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#327420: Sep 17th 2020 at 12:50:56 PM

[up] Doesn't that mean the election can be nullified if Biden loses, due to outside influence?

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#327421: Sep 17th 2020 at 12:55:20 PM

No, the US has no way of formally nullifying a presidential election, rigged or not.

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#327422: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:25:00 PM

So what's all this malarkey about "promoting patriotic education"?

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#327423: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:25:03 PM

It seems like one of the basic tenets of conservatism is that society is divided into Good People and Bad People, and the purpose of government is to deal with Bad People while leaving Good People alone insofar as possible.

Capital punishment, policing, prisons, and the military deal with Bad People, so under conservative ideology they should be vocally supported and heavily funded.

But gun control and taxation and regulation are a burden on Good People and need to be avoided. Gun control is particularly offensive because it’s liberals treating Good People like Bad People.

It’s a very frustrating attitude.

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#327425: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:25:50 PM

@Silas And if it had, Trump would try to abuse it.

Edited by 3of4 on Sep 17th 2020 at 10:26:07 AM

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