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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#327151: Sep 14th 2020 at 7:27:49 PM

Biden has already shifted leftward on a number of policies anyway. It's not that implausible that he could be persuaded to shift on this issue more as well.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#327152: Sep 14th 2020 at 7:28:34 PM

I read about ICE sterilizing women on Twitter, and then I saw a bunch of tweets talking about how America used to do it to other minorities, not just Latinx people. Absolutely fucking disgusting. Our sterilization of non-white people was studied and copied by Nazi Germany. Nazi. Germany.

Edited by BearyScary on Sep 14th 2020 at 6:29:16 AM

Do not obey in advance.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#327153: Sep 14th 2020 at 7:28:39 PM

Even assuming Biden wins, and controls Congress (including ditching the Senate filibuster), he will only have so much political capital.

At this stage, its hard to say what the Biden campaign can get done in 4 years (2 if the GOP does well in the 2022 midterms). He could easily run into the same obstruction Obama faced, though that's less likely to face issues before 2022 because the Blue Dogs are all but wiped out.

Abolishing ICE is ideal but if its more viable to get them to lay off on their abuses/gut their power/dismiss the worst offender/get the private sector the fuck out of the operations, than in the short-mid term that might be what is settled for.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#327154: Sep 14th 2020 at 7:31:00 PM

I feel like more could be done about ICE than "hold them to higher standards", but the people most likely to create policy in a Biden administration haven't wanted to, either for fear of backlash or a general wariness of tearing down established agencies.

But like people have said, it's not impossible for this to change in light in the recent news. Only time will tell.

i'm tired, my friend
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#327155: Sep 14th 2020 at 7:32:03 PM

[up][up] I think it's safe to assume the GOP will obstruct any democratic president from now on on principle alone. They were already on the road to doing that with Bill Clinton, Obama just made them extra mad.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Sep 14th 2020 at 10:32:17 AM

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#327156: Sep 14th 2020 at 7:34:23 PM

Which is why the Filibuster has to go.

Well, I'd give the Republicans one chance, one final courtesy to cooperate in the Senate. But that's just a formality to say "well, we tried, the Filibuster is gone."

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#327157: Sep 14th 2020 at 7:46:40 PM

Send ICE to the Hague. Seriously, let international law deal with them. There would be no greater olive branch to the rest of the world on "That wasn't us" then by us letting the international courts deal with them.

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#327158: Sep 14th 2020 at 7:50:18 PM

Doesn't the US have a policy of not sending citizens to international justice orgs? Ending that policy would be an even bigger step.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#327159: Sep 14th 2020 at 8:02:05 PM

Heck, even Sanders probably couldn't have done it. The President does not command prosecutions; the Justice Department does.

That's a specious argument. Assuming a Democratic Senate, it's entirely possible to pick an Attorney General specifically for their willingness and ability to go nuts on whatever target the President decides he wants prosecuted, without sacrificing the regular functions of the Department. And while the Republicans would claim that the prosecutions are politically-motivated, that's because they're guilty as sin.

EDIT: It's not cronyism to appoint cabinet officials who will carry out the President's program. And it's perfectly legitimate to have punishing the criminal actions of a previous administration as part of that program.

Edited by Ramidel on Sep 14th 2020 at 7:04:18 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#327160: Sep 14th 2020 at 8:03:44 PM

To be fair, the US was hardly the only Western country to practice mass sterilization of minorities. Just ask Canada, or Australia.

Also, Nazi Germany got that idea more from eugenics in general, I don't think they took any specific country for an example.

Edited by Redmess on Sep 14th 2020 at 5:05:52 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#327161: Sep 14th 2020 at 8:09:28 PM

I think its a wake up with both this and Canada that it never stopped.

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ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#327162: Sep 14th 2020 at 8:18:28 PM

I know this is changing the subject, but I've noticed that, recently, Trump has really started pushing the idea that he might not accept the results of the election if he loses. I've read a number of think-pieces by prominent political writers on the subject, including one suggesting that, if the Democrats and Republicans can't come to an agreement over who officially wins the election, we might end up with Nancy Pelosi as President.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#327163: Sep 14th 2020 at 8:20:59 PM

[up] "Recently?" At what point did he ever say he would accept the results of the election? He didn't accept the results of the election he won.

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 14th 2020 at 8:22:48 AM

ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#327164: Sep 14th 2020 at 8:39:06 PM

So what happens if he doesn't accept the results?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#327165: Sep 14th 2020 at 8:43:05 PM

I predict the same thing that we've said would happen all the other times this question has come up: He'll be escorted out of the White House by the Secret Service once his time is up (assuming he loses)

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#327166: Sep 14th 2020 at 9:22:47 PM

I think I've lost count as to how many times this question has come up and been answered here.

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#327167: Sep 14th 2020 at 9:29:18 PM

Standard answer: if he doesn't accept the results on the day or after votes are counted, it doesn't make a real difference because the procedure is controlled by states. If he doesn't accept them once the electors have convened, doesn't matter, he's not president then—and by this point Congress has updated its membership.

Nobody in a position of power is actually answerable to Trump.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#327168: Sep 14th 2020 at 11:28:14 PM

If he alone doesn’t accept the results it has no impact, he has no power to impact the transfer of power or the formal election process.

There are sceneries beyond that where state-level republicans or potentially senate republicans join Trump in disputing the election result, that gets more complicated but it’s a subject so prone to inducing panic that I’d rather not go into it, what I will say is that all indicators are Biden is very prepared for a number of possibilities.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Gaiazun Since: Jul, 2020
#327169: Sep 14th 2020 at 11:36:39 PM

The fact that there are probably several government agencies who have folders labeled 'procedure in case president trump refuses to leave office' is pretty disturbing though

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#327170: Sep 14th 2020 at 11:49:52 PM

As bad as he is, I too think the whole 'Trump will crown himself God Emperor and refuse to leave office' is baseless fear mongering.

As for all his comments making fun of a scenario like that, I chalk that up to blunder and ego.

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#327171: Sep 14th 2020 at 11:50:27 PM

Trump Campaign puts out "Support Our Troops" ad that tried to pass off Russian fighter jets and soldiers as Americans.

...well that's bad optics when theres big accusations that Russia is trying to push your reelection.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
astrokitty Happiness is a cup of tea from Somewhere Out There Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Happiness is a cup of tea
#327172: Sep 15th 2020 at 12:47:58 AM

My god. It's funny, but in the worst way possible.

Somebody once told me the world was macaroni, I took a bite out of a tree
Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#327173: Sep 15th 2020 at 1:17:11 AM

Wow. They should really start paying their interns.

nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#327174: Sep 15th 2020 at 1:18:26 AM

The Hill: Judge blocks some asylum restrictions, rules Chad Wolf serving as DHS secretary likely unlawful

A Maryland judge [for the District Court of Maryland] blocked the Trump administration from enforcing new asylum restrictions challenged by 20 state attorneys general and ruled that acting Department of Homeland Security (DHS) secretary Chad Wolf is likely serving in his role unlawfully.

"In sum, the Court concludes that Plaintiffs are likely to demonstrate (former acting Homeland Security Secretary Kevin) McAleenan's appointment was invalid under the agency's applicable order of succession, and so he lacked the authority to amend the order of succession to ensure Wolf's installation as Acting Secretary," Judge Paula Xinis' said in a 69-page ruling on Friday.

Of course today the 9th Circuit Court removed protections for immigrants from El Salvador, Nicaragua, Haiti, Honduras, Nepal and Sudan, so it's still very much one step forward, two steps back.

Khudzlin Since: Nov, 2013
#327175: Sep 15th 2020 at 1:40:08 AM

[up][up] Paying employees is against their faith.


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