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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#327101: Sep 14th 2020 at 2:42:02 PM

Uh,yeah,preach it.

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Codafett Knows-Many-Things Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Knows-Many-Things
#327102: Sep 14th 2020 at 2:46:00 PM

How is talking about local concentration camps concern trolling?

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#327103: Sep 14th 2020 at 2:50:24 PM

[up][up] What's that supposed to mean?

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#327104: Sep 14th 2020 at 2:53:45 PM

> The US needs to be tried for crimes against humanity for those camps, plain and simple.

What I mean is,your stating the obvious,we know.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#327105: Sep 14th 2020 at 2:59:49 PM

[up] Yeah, the problem is, that for most people, there's not much we can do beyond raise awareness and raise money for Civil Rights groups.

Edited by megaeliz on Sep 14th 2020 at 6:02:23 AM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#327106: Sep 14th 2020 at 3:22:39 PM

I guess a bunch of us could all get together and surrender ourselves to the Hague.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#327107: Sep 14th 2020 at 3:26:00 PM

Come on, you know what they meant. Many officials, ICE, DHS...

Edited by AzurePaladin on Sep 14th 2020 at 6:26:30 AM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#327108: Sep 14th 2020 at 3:29:43 PM

Oh, no. We're going to orchestrate a mass surrender to international war crimes tribunals. It's the only way.

Seriously, what is the suggestion? Unless the international community is willing to declare war on the United States, it's the election or bust. The only way these people might be held accountable — even the remotest possibility of it — is for Biden to win office. Then, if we want, we can dunk on his government for failing to prosecute them. We can go all in on it.

Until then...

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 14th 2020 at 6:30:34 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#327109: Sep 14th 2020 at 3:33:02 PM

No sure where you’re getting the supposed anti-Biden sentiment from....

It’s entirely reasonable for people to talk about things they’d like to see in the future without getting their heads bitten off.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#327110: Sep 14th 2020 at 3:34:32 PM

[up][up] You know, people are allowed to want things to happen that aren't necessarily going to. If people are expressing the desire that brownshirts and jackboots actually have to face justice, why be snotty about it?

Edit: [nja]

Double Edit: Literally what part of any of this had to do with the election? We're allowed to express anger or horror without immediately looping it back into the election.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Sep 14th 2020 at 6:35:35 AM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#327111: Sep 14th 2020 at 3:38:22 PM

As long as we're wishing, how 'bout some fucking hate speech laws already? The only thing keeping us from having them is free speech absolutists and concern trolls.

i'm tired, my friend
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#327112: Sep 14th 2020 at 3:38:57 PM

Are we really having to debate why people want something to be done about women being forcibly sterilized?

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#327113: Sep 14th 2020 at 3:39:51 PM

[up], [up][up]: [awesome][awesome][awesome] To both.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Sep 14th 2020 at 6:40:03 AM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#327114: Sep 14th 2020 at 3:41:03 PM

[up][up] It's just not really that productive or helpful.

Everyone here is aware how terrible it is, but there's very little most of us can do about it directly, except through voting.

Edited by megaeliz on Sep 14th 2020 at 7:09:12 AM

Imca (Veteran)
#327115: Sep 14th 2020 at 3:41:08 PM

No one is debating why, they are debating if any thing can be done, to which the answer is no.

Some one said that people need to do something, but the answer is that "you cant" because every one with any power to stop it is complacent in it because this is the kind of crap the republicans want.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#327116: Sep 14th 2020 at 3:46:15 PM

What actually stops a state from making such actions a state crime? Or from ordering ICE agents out fo their state, or even criminalising cooperation with ICE?

I’m shelving my actual dream idea of the California national guard rolling into such camps and liberating them by force, as that’s obviously not something the state government is willing to do.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Imca (Veteran)
#327117: Sep 14th 2020 at 3:48:35 PM

Because federal level agents overwrite state level agents, there is not a thing they can do about them.

Its actualy a problem law enforcment has with the military, is that if the military commits a crime they have to let the MP's handle it since there is nothing they can do.... A federal agent could shoot a dude in front of a state agent, and the state agent just has to wait for the relevant other federal agent to take care of it.

Edited by Imca on Sep 14th 2020 at 3:49:37 AM

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#327118: Sep 14th 2020 at 3:54:54 PM

That still leaves open the option of making it a criminal offence to provide any kind of aid to said agents, as then you’d be arresting state citizens instead of federal agents.

That and there’s always the option of criminalising now so that once a federal government that won’t block prosecution is in power you can prosecute.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Imca (Veteran)
#327119: Sep 14th 2020 at 4:02:37 PM

Both of those are indeed pretty good options, though the later still relies on the point that was being made in that action is very limited with a complacent goverment in charge, and people need to go vote.

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Lost in Space
#327120: Sep 14th 2020 at 4:21:16 PM

The federal government isn't just complacent; it is actively conducting and abetting these operations. If state governments start detaining or obstructing federal officials, you can bet Trump will try to declare martial law. Of course, he's backed down in those confrontations before, so definitely harangue your state leaders to see if they'll act.

I live in Pennsylvania, though, so getting Tom Wolf on board won't do jack squat about stuff going on in Texas and New Mexico.

We must maintain our public outrage, but getting Republicans out of office is the only way to actually stop this stuff.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 14th 2020 at 7:22:31 AM

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#327121: Sep 14th 2020 at 4:25:33 PM

Sure but it’s not just about you, New Mexico for example has a Democrat trifecta, so they very much could do something.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Codafett Knows-Many-Things Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Knows-Many-Things
#327122: Sep 14th 2020 at 5:10:46 PM

It'd be dangerous, but demonstrations around the facilities is what I have in mind. Keep that shit in the news, don't let it become a normalized background event.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#327123: Sep 14th 2020 at 5:22:23 PM

There are now stories about mass sterializations at ICE facilities.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2020/09/10024657/ice-hysterectomies-immigration-whistleblower-project-south

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#327124: Sep 14th 2020 at 5:23:21 PM

That’s what we’re in the middle of discussing...

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#327125: Sep 14th 2020 at 6:22:18 PM

AP News: 9th Circuit Court of Appeals rules that Trump admin. can end humanitarian protections for some 300,000 immigrants from El Salvador, Nicaragua, Haiti and Sudan.

The Trump administration can end humanitarian protections that have allowed hundreds of thousands of people from El Salvador, Nicaragua, Haiti and Sudan to remain in the United States, a divided appeals court ruled Monday.

While an appeal is imminent and orders to leave wouldn't take effect for months, the decision moved many people closer to losing legal status, including families who have been in the U.S. for decades and have young children who are American citizens.


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