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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#327076: Sep 14th 2020 at 10:04:41 AM

[up] It doesn't really change the fact that it is turning (and on the west coast, literally, may their souls be safe) into a hell though...

I agree that the US does not deserve such a fate.

But it can't be ignored that some of its people have done insane damage to its reputation in the world already.

And that Trump has used law enforcement against peaceful protesters just to take a stroll to a church and make a obvious photo-op just to "improve his image".

And nobody has stopped or reigned him in for the last four years, despite the Constitution telling them to do so with any sitting president.

What does that say about the status of the "American Experiment" here?

...

Let's just hope that Trump gets voted out in November and that's the end of this nightmare that has been the "TV-Presidency".

Edited by TitanJump on Sep 14th 2020 at 7:09:39 PM

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#327077: Sep 14th 2020 at 10:30:20 AM

They already told him no? Okay, interesting. That changes things, and though it would still be wise to not be overly dismissive of Trump's ability to break norms I'll defer to you on this.

It’s not perfectly clear what happened, but we have reports that during the protests in DC Trump got in a shouting match with some generals in the Oval Office, combine that with the fact that it was federal police and not the military who tear-gassed people and the indicators are that Trump tried to order the military to do something to the protesters, got told no by the military but got a yes from Barr and federal police units.

I believe that not long after the incident the DC national guard were withdrawn, presumably because they weren’t doing what Trump wanted.

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#327078: Sep 14th 2020 at 11:37:05 AM

Millennials and seniors are spurning Trump. Here’s why middle-aged voters are sticking with him.

Pundits and experts will be befuddled if Biden wins, because his win will mainly thanks to elderly voters becoming blue. Thanks to COVID-19, not surprisingly.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#327079: Sep 14th 2020 at 11:41:00 AM

A bunch of Never Trump/former GOP campaign staffers (including those who work with the Lincoln Project) are both baffled and encouraged by seniors turning on Trump. Because, as far as their experience tells them, Republicans do not win national (and many state wide) races without a large portion of seniors backing their tickets. If Biden even comes close to breaking even on the demographic, Trump is in trouble in many key states (and that's independent on his struggles in other demographics).

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#327080: Sep 14th 2020 at 12:37:13 PM

And nobody has stopped or reigned him in for the last four years, despite the Constitution telling them to do so with any sitting president.

What does that say about the status of the "American Experiment" here?

Define “stop”? Trump’s agenda has been fought at every turn by basically every other part of the government, to the point that he’s had to turn to executive fiat to get literally anything done. Are you talking about impeachment? We knew from the start of that process how it was going to go by its very nature as a political, rather than criminal, process. The fact that we’re getting ready to vote and publicly discussing the ways executive power needs to be limited means the American experiment is still ongoing.

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Voltron64 Since: Jul, 2016
#327081: Sep 14th 2020 at 12:44:04 PM

[up][up][up] Them and the suburban moms honestly.

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#327082: Sep 14th 2020 at 1:20:17 PM

Mass hysterectomies at ICE concentration camp

I believe that is now two of the UN's definitions of genocide.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#327083: Sep 14th 2020 at 1:37:40 PM

“When I met all these women who had had surgeries, I thought this was like an experimental concentration camp. It was like they’re experimenting with our bodies,” the detainee said.

I know exactly why they're doing it, and it's for a reason that Trump's supporters will genuinely support - to negate the possibility of "anchor babies" for those women. For a party that crows about "Sanctity of life", they're fucking abominations at actually respecting it.

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#327084: Sep 14th 2020 at 1:45:29 PM

I hardly think this is "misaimed" at all.

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#327085: Sep 14th 2020 at 1:47:51 PM

[up][up] Life only matters during pregnancy to them, before and after that it's completely irrelevant.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#327086: Sep 14th 2020 at 1:49:02 PM

A lot of victim-blaming and whataboutisms going on in that comment section. I know that's not surprising, I'm just pointing it out.

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#327087: Sep 14th 2020 at 1:49:15 PM

Just gotta remind myself that in only three more weeks I can do my part to clean up this mess...

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Sep 14th 2020 at 4:49:26 AM

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#327088: Sep 14th 2020 at 1:51:12 PM

Life only matters during pregnancy to them, before and after that it's completely irrelevant.

"If you're pre-birth, you're fine. If you're pre-school, you're fucked."

I hardly think this is "misaimed" at all.

Agreed - this is exactly the kind of shit his supporters want. Trump supporters are deeply horrible people.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 14th 2020 at 10:53:27 AM

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#327089: Sep 14th 2020 at 1:52:59 PM

I love how everyone will fall over themselves to talk about China's camps but not Americas. It's like everyone just forgot what's happening within our own borders.

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#327090: Sep 14th 2020 at 1:54:01 PM

Children, like trading cards, lose value immediately once they’re out of the packaging.

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#327091: Sep 14th 2020 at 1:54:04 PM

[up][up]What more is there to say? It’s not like we can do anything about them until the election.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Sep 14th 2020 at 4:54:11 AM

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#327092: Sep 14th 2020 at 1:55:16 PM

Thinking like that is what leads to disaster. We can do something we've just chosen not too.

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#327093: Sep 14th 2020 at 1:56:05 PM

[up]Do you actually expect us to storm the camps or something?

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#327094: Sep 14th 2020 at 1:57:16 PM

I think they need to knock it off with the strawmanning/concern trolling/trolling already

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#327095: Sep 14th 2020 at 1:58:51 PM

Yeah, "You talk about China's camps, but what about America" is literally something tankies love to throw at my head whenever I bring up the Uyghur genocide.

At least America still has a democratic system - albeit a pretty shit one - that allows you to get these genocidal arseholes out of office.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 14th 2020 at 10:59:41 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#327096: Sep 14th 2020 at 2:00:44 PM

Yeah, "You talk about China's camps, but what about America" is literally something tankies love to throw at my head whenever I bring up the Uyghur genocide.

I'm reminded of George R.R. Martin telling a story about how college experience. He had heard about all the dope, music, and free love that college was supposed to be about and was all excited for it, then arrived on campus to discover the local scene was devoted to defending Mao.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 14th 2020 at 2:01:10 AM

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AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#327097: Sep 14th 2020 at 2:15:24 PM

In a just world, every single [REDACTED] who aided and abetted ICE in this endevour would be brought in chains to the Hague for Crimes Against Humanity.

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#327098: Sep 14th 2020 at 2:23:20 PM

If this is true (and I have little reason to believe it isn't), ICE needs to be disbanded, the bulk of its workforce blacklisted from the public sector (and the security sector), at minimum. Asking for the organization to be declared criminal, Nuremberg style, is way too hopeful, but I can dream.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#327099: Sep 14th 2020 at 2:37:57 PM

Honestly, I think one of the main reasons the US hasn't acknowledged the ICC's authority is because they'd have to fill multiple planes with people to send there, including members of previous governments (and a few presidents).

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 14th 2020 at 11:38:08 AM

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#327100: Sep 14th 2020 at 2:39:20 PM

The US needs to be tried for crimes against humanity for those camps, plain and simple.

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