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#326951: Sep 12th 2020 at 3:44:38 PM

[up]Despite Trump disowning Fox, they still provide him with power, as I can unfortunately point to my dad as evidence.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Sep 12th 2020 at 6:44:52 AM

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#326952: Sep 12th 2020 at 3:46:55 PM

"Fox News has been pretty much disowned by Trump at this point."

No, he hasn't. He's done multiple interview on Fox just this week.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#326953: Sep 12th 2020 at 3:51:16 PM

So he's basically constantly talking down on them while still exploiting their platform.

Why am I not surprised?

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singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#326954: Sep 12th 2020 at 3:54:29 PM

Fox News is where you'll find the next candidate for President on the Republican side. If Trump is defeated in November, the 2024 Republican presidential primary will start the next day on the airwaves of Fox News.

The candidate will not be a leading legislator, or competent governor. It will be who can speak the loudest on Fox News. Which of course includes the 'talent' such as Tucker...

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#326955: Sep 12th 2020 at 3:57:23 PM

[up] Okay, is there any actual reason to suspect Tucker Carlson of even wanting to run for President? I imagine in a world where Biden is sworn in, it would be one of the Trump kids that the GOP would want to crown as their new Dear Leader.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#326956: Sep 12th 2020 at 4:18:37 PM

Which is why we need to arrest all of the Trump crime family.

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tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#326957: Sep 12th 2020 at 5:10:14 PM

If Trump loses I'm predicting a Civil War between the more traditional Republicans like Romney and the Trumpies

Edited by tricksterson on Sep 12th 2020 at 8:11:42 AM

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#326958: Sep 12th 2020 at 5:25:12 PM

I don't really see the Trumpism surviving long after a Trump defeat. Because once Trump is a loser with no power, the whole mythology shatters, and there's Trumpism is not defined by anything other than 'whatever Trump says'. So really it would collapse into a simple 'not what the Democrats said'. Which ain't really sustainable, so they're have to do some soul-searching sooner or later. Although we might not like what they come up with.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#326959: Sep 12th 2020 at 5:51:44 PM

Well, Trump himself is the end result of the GOP not having any values of its own beyond contradicting the Democrats, so there is that. In a post-Trump world, I'd argue what's most likely is the right will try to distance themselves from Trump.

This is essentially what happened to W, I'd say. His unpopularity made him a Genre Killer for a lot of the GOP's 'branding'. The GOP decided to distance itself from him as much as possible and reinvent itself. The GOP then defined itself as basically anti-Obama, and the rest is history. Well, 'recent news', actually.

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Arctimon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#326960: Sep 12th 2020 at 5:57:59 PM

Fox News does just enough to tick Trump off that they have to lavish him with interviews and praise to get back on his good side.

And then the cycle starts over again.

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#326961: Sep 12th 2020 at 6:01:27 PM

[up][up][up]I would not be so optimistic. Trump has successfully crystallized and brought to the mainstream a modern American Fascism, and there are people (either grifters or true believers) who are willing to take up the torch for him.

If nothing else his rhetoric ("build the wall", "Make America Great Again", etc.) will easily survive long after him.

Edited by Mio on Sep 12th 2020 at 9:01:35 AM

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#326962: Sep 12th 2020 at 6:10:42 PM

[up]No, see, that's distinct from Trumpism. Trumpism is the movement that's led to the GOP literally not having a platform this year, because Trumpism has no principles beyond 'whatever Trump says'.

It's certain possible that the post-Trump GOP could crystallize into a party of open fascists and white supremacists. But those things are principles that are not simply 'whatever Trump says', and are therefore that's only possible if Trumpism is truly dies.

Edited by Gilphon on Sep 12th 2020 at 9:10:55 AM

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#326963: Sep 12th 2020 at 6:27:00 PM

Trumpism is pretty much the final stage of GOP polarization: they belive themselves to be the solution to american problem and therefore they MUST be in power as long as posible, if trump is defeat it, is hard to see if they reinvent themselves or just implode as their only tool is "doing the same, BUT HARDER!".

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#326964: Sep 12th 2020 at 6:45:41 PM

Virginia Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax is entering the race for governor. (The election is in 2021.) Jennifer Carroll Foy, a state delegate, and Jennifer McClellan, a state senator, and Terry McAuliffe, a former governor, are also running.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#326965: Sep 12th 2020 at 6:48:48 PM

In fact I'd argue that Republicans don't have any beliefs. Their voters do. Their voters believe in white privilege, capitalism, and fundamentalist Christianity (and very often not the actual religion). However, the thing we've discovered about the GOP is that they have no ethics or beliefs but are a bunch of pirates who exist to maintain power while looting the economy. They're a junta.

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#326966: Sep 12th 2020 at 7:20:55 PM

[up] That's a little much.

@Fox News, as much as they should be prevented from spreading total bullshit to their army of bigoted followers, that turns into a Freedom of Speech/Freedom of Press debate. The people arguing that a news station shouldn't be allowed to speak their minds would not look good, even if they're completely justified.

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#326967: Sep 12th 2020 at 7:24:06 PM

In fact I'd argue that Republicans don't have any beliefs. Their voters do. Their voters believe in white privilege, capitalism, and fundamentalist Christianity (and very often not the actual religion). However, the thing we've discovered about the GOP is that they have no ethics or beliefs but are a bunch of pirates who exist to maintain power while looting the economy. They're a junta.

I highly doubt this is true, if we look at the Nazis we see that their leadership was comprised of fanatics and grifters and the same is true of other reactionary movements. I see no reason to assume that the Republicans are different. Some no doubt purely believe, some certainly are grifters, and some (most of them likely) are a mixture of both.

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#326968: Sep 12th 2020 at 7:27:53 PM

Yeah if we are to take down Faux News, it would either have to be from exposing them as a propaganda outlet instead of a legitimate news source, (and even then there would still be some first amendment issues) or reinstating means to ensure their sources are objective and that they have to dedicate space to their ideological opponents instead of strawmen made in their image. Force them to Expose their viewers to the truth and their power could wane.

nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#326969: Sep 12th 2020 at 7:28:40 PM

Politico: Biden courts Black farmers to dent Trump's lead among rural voters

The Biden campaign has spent the summer criticizing discrimination in agriculture, organizing roundtable discussions and tapping former Black government officials in an aggressive push to attract Black farmers, a small but potentially significant slice of the rural vote.

Black farm producers, who number almost 49,000 nationally, are concentrated in Southern swing states, including North Carolina, Florida and Georgia. When combined with other farmers of color, also a focus of the Biden campaign, the total swells to 260,000 producers. Many say it's the first time in years a presidential nominee has paid attention to their needs.


Black farmers have long struggled to get equal access to USDA programs that help build credit and address civil rights complaints. They have pushed the government for more enforcement to retain land that has been in their families for generations at a time when farmers, generally, are facing unprecedented economic headwinds due to the pandemic and trade war disruptions. The Biden campaign has released a plan to work with nonwhite farmers to tackle these issues.


In a Fox News poll in July, 49 percent of rural voters said they supported Trump and 40 percent sided with Biden. That's a much closer margin than 2016 election exit polls, which found Trump earned 61 percent of the rural vote compared to Clinton's 36 percent.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#326970: Sep 12th 2020 at 7:39:07 PM

That he's courting a relatively small and often underlooked group is good, and bodes well enough for his policies. I'm guessing that it's the progressive wing of his campaign that steered his attention towards them and such groups a big tent approach would usually miss.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#326971: Sep 12th 2020 at 7:44:39 PM

The best way to destroy Fox News would be to make them liable for the damages from false stories and make a law that Freedom of Speech does not protect against false reporting as fact.

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Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#326972: Sep 12th 2020 at 8:38:50 PM

I don't think we can safely predict Trumpism going away if he loses in November. I think the GOP in actual government (Congress, governorships, etc.) will struggle to find a new post-Trump agenda for sure, since the party has largely just sold itself to his whims, and without him there's no wellspring from which to flow, but Trumpism will not leave the Republican base. In particular I worry about a certain internet cult named after a letter of the alphabet, and how they'll react if the guy they insist is some heroic secret crusader against pedophiles is no longer in power.

Edited by Lennik on Sep 12th 2020 at 11:39:14 AM

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#326973: Sep 12th 2020 at 8:47:43 PM

Don't underestimate Trump's ability to turn losing into aggrieved victimhood. If he loses, he will just declare himself a victim of a Democrat conspiracy, and Trumpists will likely believe anything he says.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#326974: Sep 12th 2020 at 8:50:36 PM

If Trumpism only needs Trump around then I don't see why him losing the Presidency would change things.

Does anyone think he's going to just shut up if/when he's out of the White House? He could just join Fox News, or launch his own TV show, or just keep tweeting like he already does and that might be enough to keep the fires going for awhile in the worst case.

Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#326975: Sep 12th 2020 at 8:56:46 PM

There's also a lot of anxiety about him refusing to leave if he loses, but I think the opposite is just as likely; he loses, and is so mad that he just refuses to serve the rest of his term. He goes to Mar-A-Lago and stops everything related to the job, but also refuses to resign to give the rest of the term to Pence. He just sits there in limbo in a sort of "If they don't want me to be president, nobody gets to be president" pouting session.

Edited by Lennik on Sep 12th 2020 at 11:57:41 AM

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