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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#326876: Sep 11th 2020 at 3:21:50 PM

@Physical: That's why I said people to not quote me on this.

Regardless, this is more likely to apply to older generations, not the people who were born (or were too young to remember) 9/11.

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#326877: Sep 11th 2020 at 3:28:26 PM

[up]I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it's an observation was made.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
Codafett Knows-Many-Things Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Knows-Many-Things
#326879: Sep 11th 2020 at 3:42:37 PM

When you go back and look at media made right after 9/11, the pure Islamophobia is enough to make your insides churn. It's so bizarre how normalized flagrant racism was because for a time the majority of America really bought into the "All muslims are terrorists" propaganda.

Edited by Codafett on Sep 11th 2020 at 3:42:47 AM

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#326880: Sep 11th 2020 at 3:51:26 PM

All for the sake of white fragility. (In the interest of full disclosure, I'm white, but I'm one of the good ones, I hopetongue)

Do not obey in advance.
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#326881: Sep 11th 2020 at 4:25:10 PM

re: 9/11: I was 10, we learned from the teachers while in school (Some of them actually watched it fall from the top of the building where we weren't supposed to go), my sister and I left school early, there was a smoke trail over our neighborhood, my sister had perhaps one of the worst 6th birthdays ever, and we wanted to watch cartoons but most of the channels just had 9/11 on.

(To this day every time I see Ganon's Castle collapse I think of how the Twin Towers collapsed)

My dad actually saw the Towers fall IIRC (One of his old bosses and his wife got hurt by shrapnel because they were waiting for the elevator just as the tower they were in got hit and the elevator shafts exploded), my mother was getting my sister's birthday cake and saw the Towers smoking, and I believe they fell before she came out of the supermarket, and one of my aunts worked by the WTC and got covered in dust when the Towers fell.

(She also said the area around the WTC smelled like dead people for quite some time.)

My grandmother was part of a club that met on top of the Towers and IIRC were actually supposed to meet that day, but she didn't go for whatever reason, which most likely saved her life.

Apart from that, I do remember how over the years how security tightened, and the cynical use of the event by Republican politicians who otherwise hate this city and everyone in it who isn't a cop.

Edited by rmctagg09 on Sep 11th 2020 at 7:25:24 AM

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#326882: Sep 11th 2020 at 4:30:29 PM

I'm not surprised the area smelled like dead people for a while. Best not to think too hard about that one.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#326883: Sep 11th 2020 at 4:31:16 PM

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2020/09/11/day-1331/

Day 1331: "Corrupt and politically motivated favor."

    😷 Dept. of “We Have It Totally Under Control.” 
Global: Total confirmed cases: ~28,293,000; deaths: ~911,000

U.S.: Total confirmed cases: ~6,431,000; deaths: ~193,000

Source: Johns Hopkins University

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

💻 COVID-19 Live Blogs: New York Times / Washington Post / CNN / CNBC

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/11/world/covid-19-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/10/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-09-11-20-intl/index.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/11/coronavirus-live-updates.html

🗳 How To Vote In The 2020 Election In Every State. Everything you need to know about mail-in and early in-person voting in every state in the age of COVID-19, including the first day you can cast your ballot in the 2020 election. (FiveThirtyEight / Washington Post / NBC News / Wall Street Journal)

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/how-to-vote-2020/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/how-to-vote/
https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/plan-your-vote-state-by-state-guide-voting-by-mail-early-in-person-voting-election/index.html?cid=bc_npd_nn_ms_np-1_200816
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-vote-by-mail-in-every-state-11597840923

    Main Stories 
1/ Trump claimed that the U.S. is “rounding the corner” on the coronavirus pandemic, predicting that “Next year will be the greatest economic year in the history our country, I project.” The U.S., however, continues to see about 36,000 new cases a day, about 850 new deaths, on average, every day, a 8.4% unemployment rate, and about half of the jobs lost during the pandemic have been recovered. Dr. Anthony Fauci, meanwhile, called the current COVID-19 data “disturbing,” and that the U.S. might not return to pre-coronavirus life until the end of 2021. Fauci added that the U.S. will be in a “more precarious situation” in the fall and winter if current case rate continues. (NBC News / CNN / CNBC / NBC News / CNN / The Guardian)

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/trump-touts-big-job-gains-says-u-s-rounding-corner-n1239489

2/ Trump insisted that “everyone knew” the coronavirus was airborne in February, saying “When I say it was airborne, everybody knew it was airborne. This was no big thing. Read the reports. China came out with a statement that it was an airborne disease. I heard it was an airborne disease. I assumed it early on.” It wasn’t until March, however, that the World Health Organization acknowledged that the virus could be spread through airborne particles. (CNN / CNBC)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/10/politics/trump-woodward-tapes-michigan/index.html

Trump held six indoor rallies after admitted to Bob Woodward on Feb. 7 that he knew the coronavirus “goes through air” and is more deadly than “even your strenuous flus.” In the interview, Trump told Woodward, “It goes through air, Bob,” adding, “you just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed.” Yet Trump participated in rallies in New Hampshire on February 10, Arizona on February 19, Colorado on February 20, Nevada on February 21, South Carolina on February 28, and North Carolina on March 2. No social distancing measures were implemented for those rallies. (CBS News)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-rallies-after-coronavirus-airborne/

Trump falsely claimed at a rally in Michigan that he had revitalized the auto manufacturing industry in the state. However, the industry had lost jobs before the coronavirus pandemic hit the state in March. “We brought you a lot of car plants, we brought you a lot … and we’re going to bring you a lot more,” Trump told the crowd. Only one new major assembly facility — a Jeep plant on Detroit’s east side — has been announced during Trump’s term, and two General Motors plants in Michigan were idled by the company last year. Trump also said that after speaking with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, officials announced “five new car companies are coming to Michigan,” but no such announcement has been made. More than 5,000 Michiganders attended the rally at an aircraft hanger in Freeland, MI, most of whom were not wearing masks. The director of the National Institutes of Health, meanwhile, said he was “pretty puzzled” and “rather disheartened” by Trump’s crowded campaign rally in Michigan. (Detroit Free Press / Common Dreams / Politico)

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/09/10/trump-michigan-rally-auto-claims/5768672002/

3/ A top prosecutor working on Attorney General William Barr’s probe of the Russia investigation resigned because of concerns about political pressure to deliver a report before the presidential election. In 2019, Barr appointed U.S. Attorney John Durham to investigate the FBI’s legal justification for the counterintelligence investigation that looked at ties between Trump’s 2016 campaign and Russian efforts to meddle in the election. Nora Dannehy said she believed that Durham was pressured by Barr to produce results of their investigation before the work was completed. (Hartford Courant / CNN / Associated Press / Politico)

https://apnews.com/8e9a93c3bc26dfdffd9d88d6ea24720a

4/ A retired judge appointed to review the Justice Department’s effort to dismiss its prosecution of Michael Flynn said it seems like a “corrupt and politically motivated favor” done in response to pressure by Trump. In a court filing, John Gleeson said the department should not be allowed to drop the case because “the only coherent explanation for the Government’s exceedingly irregular motion […] is that the Justice Department has yielded to a pressure campaign led by the President for his political associate.” (Politico / Axios / CNBC / Reuters)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-flynn/us-judge-urged-to-stop-corrupt-reversal-in-case-of-trump-ex-aide-flynn-idUSKBN2622GH

5/ In a reversal, a federal appeals court blocked hundreds of thousands of felons in Florida from registering to vote if they still owe fines and fees. In May, a lower court found that the law discriminated against the majority of felons by imposing an unlawful “pay-to-vote system.” (Washington Post / New York Times)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/florida-felon-voting/2020/09/11/9a6b5d3a-f45e-11ea-bc45-e5d48ab44b9f_story.html

6/ A group of 14 states asked a federal judge to reverse service cuts and changes at the U.S. Postal Service. The states filed a motion asking a U.S. District Court in Washington to order USPS to treat election mail, including ballots and registration forms, as First Class mail and to ensure it’s delivered promptly. The states also asked the judge to end the “leave behind” policy, which requires that postal trucks leave at certain times, irrespective of whether or not there is additional mail to load. They also asked the judge to order USPS to replace or reinstall any removed sorting machines needed to ensure timely processing. (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/states-ask-judge-to-reverse-changes-at-us-postal-service/2020/09/10/40e06302-f399-11ea-8025-5d3489768ac8_story.html

The Trump campaign is considering holding a political event on White House grounds near Election Day. While Trump was criticized for using the venue as a political prop during the Republican National Convention, he was reportedly so happy with how things went that he wants to do it again. One option under consideration would be for Trump to hold a victory party with supporters on election night. Another option is a rally-style event at the White House on the night before the election. No final decision has been made and plans could still change, the people said. (NBC News)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-campaign-weighing-white-house-event-around-election-day-n1239762

7/ A federal judged rejected the Trump administration’s request to exclude undocumented immigrants from being counted in the U.S. Census. A three-judge panel in New York ruled that the move would violate the statute governing congressional apportionment because it runs afoul of a statute saying apportionment must be based on everyone who is a resident of the United States. The panel found that Trump’s July 21 memorandum was “an unlawful exercise of the authority granted to the President,” and that all residents must be counted for apportionment purposes regardless of their legal status. (Washington Post / Politico / NBC News)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/federal-judges-rule-trump-can-t-exclude-people-u-s-n1239826

8/ ICE agents flew immigrant detainees to Virginia in order to facilitate the deployment of Homeland Security tactical teams to quell protests in Washington. The June 2nd transfers were done to skirt rules that prevent ICE agents from traveling on the charter flights unless detainees are also aboard. After the transfer, dozens of detainees tested positive for the coronavirus, leading an outbreak of more than 300 inmates at the Farmville, Va., immigration jail. One died. (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/coronavirus/ice-air-farmville-protests-covid/2020/09/11/f70ebe1e-e861-11ea-bc79-834454439a44_story.html

9/ Secretary of State Mike Pompeo assigned official government work to a top advisers through his wife, who used a private email account to relay the requests. As a congressman, Pompeo was criticized Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email system while serving at the State Department. Pompeo is currently being investigated by the State Department inspector general’s office about the misuse of government resources. In May, Pompeo asked Trump to fire then-inspector general Steve Linick. (McClatchy DC)

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article245664835.html

10/ The Trump administration withheld nearly $4 million for a program that tracks and treats FDNY firefighters and medics suffering from 9/11 related illnesses. The payments were authorized by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, but Treasury Department started withholding parts of payments about four years ago. The payments are meant to cover medical services for firefighters, emergency medical technicians, and paramedics treated by the FDNY World Trade Center Health Program. (New York Daily News)

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-fdny-911-health-program-treasury-20200910-s7yam67j6vhmhbdzg6ordanfdm-story.html

poll/ 62% of Americans fear that political pressure from Trump will cause the FDA to approve a coronavirus vaccine without making sure it’s safe and effective. (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/10/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 11th 2020 at 4:31:36 AM

nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#326884: Sep 11th 2020 at 6:44:15 PM

11th Circuit Court just ruled against voting rights in Florida Amendment 4 case. AP News

Florida felons must pay all fines, restitution and legal fees before they can regain their right to vote, a federal appellate court ruled Friday in a case that could have broad implications for the November elections.

Reversing a lower court judge's decision that gave Florida felons the right to vote regardless of outstanding legal obligations, the order from the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the position of Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis and the GOP-led state Legislature, leaving voting rights activists aghast.


So many parts of this article make me even more angry.

But Pryor wrote that it's not the state's responsibility to create a system to let felons know what they owe.

"The Due Process Clause does not require States to provide individual process to help citizens learn the facts necessary to comply with laws of general application," he wrote.

Really??

In a 200-page ruling on a 6-4 vote, the full 11th Circuit said the Constitution's due process clause was not violated by the passage of the law implementing Amendment 4.

It was a 6-4 decision, but Trump appointees Luck and Lagoa (who were in the majority), should have recused themselves but didn't.


This disenfranchises nearly 600,000 people in Florida this year. In addition to the immorality of denying people the right to vote (via what is effectively a poll tax!), 600,000 people in any state, let alone Florida, could be enough to swing the outcome of this election.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#326885: Sep 11th 2020 at 6:48:28 PM

Oh come on, they could at least come up with a plausible-sounding excuse. This is just pathetic.

It's not even hard logic:

  1. Felons are denied voting rights if they don't pay all fines.
  2. They don't know how much they owe.
  3. The state doesn't know how much they owe.
  4. If nobody actually knows how much is owed then this is an indefinite refusal.

Take that and do something with it. Don't just say it's not the state's responsibility.

Lazy.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#326886: Sep 11th 2020 at 6:50:37 PM

Have we not just accepted that Republicans don't care about how blatantly obvious they are anymore, as long as they think they can win?

nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#326887: Sep 11th 2020 at 6:52:48 PM

I guess it's now extended to Republican-appoint Chief Judges, as well.

Voltron64 Since: Jul, 2016
#326888: Sep 11th 2020 at 7:00:19 PM

[up][up] I honestly think they're risking their lives by doing that.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#326889: Sep 11th 2020 at 7:49:54 PM

The next obvious solution here is to nullify the debt of the felons with legislation.

They can't be allowed to win.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 11th 2020 at 7:51:04 AM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#326890: Sep 11th 2020 at 7:52:36 PM

Which prompts the obvious question of "Is there anyone in a position to do so who is also willing to do so?"

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#326891: Sep 11th 2020 at 7:57:54 PM

They were franchised in the first place and attacking their excuses is all that can be done.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#326892: Sep 11th 2020 at 8:01:50 PM

Can re-enfranchisement be done via federal legislation? Or a second ballot amendment in Florida?

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#326893: Sep 11th 2020 at 8:03:17 PM

@Azure Paladin

Per this article, though, there is indeed a reason that Islamic voting records did a 180 on party affiliation after 2004. But George W. himself did not feed into the Islamophobia that spawned in the wake of 9/11 - he, in fact, cautioned against it, and drew a clear distinction between terrorists and devout Muslims, as they were not and are not identical.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#326894: Sep 11th 2020 at 8:16:58 PM

[up][up]They could make a new amendment, but it is probably too late for this election cycle.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#326895: Sep 11th 2020 at 8:24:23 PM

I was only 6 when 9/11 happened. I remember very little - I remember hearing that planes crashed, but it was all rather garbled to me - I think I was under the impression that it was an accident - didn't become clear to me what happened for another couples years or so.

In any case, I've been thinking, since next year will mark 20 years since the attacks...I can understand feeling jaded and wanting to move past that, but I think we should do something?

I suppose what I'd like to see - provided Biden wins the Presidency, since that would be a good opportunity for it, and there's no way Trump would do anything at all like this - would be to use the opportunity to reflect on where we've come since then. Urge the American people not to let fear and hate rule us anymore. Dunno how it would go over, but if we can beat Trump, then I think we ought to spend some time having an honest conversation about ourselves.

Oh God! Natural light!
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#326897: Sep 11th 2020 at 8:44:42 PM

Wonderful, a conspiracy theorist whose entire platform consists of calling the other party satanic paedophiles is going to be elected.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#326898: Sep 11th 2020 at 9:09:30 PM

From the description alone, Van Asudal's sudden quitting and getting the fuck out of Georgia sounds odd.

Like the first reply in that Twitter thread, my immediate thought was "Did he receive death threats or something?"

ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#326899: Sep 11th 2020 at 9:31:05 PM

[up] To leave that quickly, I don't think it was a threat...I think there was an attempt.

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#326900: Sep 11th 2020 at 9:54:48 PM

Considering where QAnon is at this point, I don't doubt it.


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