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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#326826: Sep 11th 2020 at 9:59:14 AM

My opinion on 911 is summed up pretty good in this video (a bit more edgy and insensitive off course, but you get the gist of it)

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#326827: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:03:56 AM

To be honest I can kind of see what Krugman is talking about, but only with a somewhat warped view of US history.

Given out nation's history with inter-sectarian violence, one could say that it is surprising that Dearborn and other places with large muslim populations weren't just burnt to the ground like Tulsa.

But this only makes sense if you don't take into account what has been a general decline in violence in general up that point (including political), and the tacit understand that the state would take care of repressing and commiting violence against Muslims in the US.

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#326828: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:04:18 AM

Being a child from another country back then, thinking back on it my response and my classmates was rather different from the tomb silence described before.

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#326829: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:05:52 AM

I was in the US at the time this happened, but I didn't really understand what was going on or what happened until years later.

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#326830: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:07:34 AM

I was literally 1 year old when it happened, so it's all just history to me.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#326831: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:08:06 AM

I was 9 years old, and I remember very well what the next day in school was like.

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#326832: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:16:57 AM

I was in 10th grade chemistry class when the announcement came over the PA.note  I remember students being called down to the office constantly throughout the day because the admins wanted to make sure their parents who worked at WTC got word of what happened to them specifically privately. I had American Studies class a couple of periods later (a double period mixing 10th grade English and Social Studies into one long class that my school system came up with), and we basically just listened to news radio giving updates and then teachers trying to start discussion.

I also remember overhearing a couple of students opining they should have just closed school early since no one's going to be able to focus — I just thought that they just wanted to ditch school and play hooky. (I think that day showed me just how cynical I can be.)

My home used to be under the landing approaches to EWR, so the roar of passenger jets was not uncommon. I remember how dead silent it was walking back from the bus stop. It was a disquieting quiet.

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#326833: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:18:53 AM

I was too young to remember anything that happened that day, my parents did got to watch the towers fall on TV and said it was indeed horrible.

I honestly don't know what to make of 9/11 anymore, on one side it is a tragic event that took a lot of lives in a country that was at the moment the prime superpower in the world, on the other my city saw urban terrorism during the 80's and 90's and the people of Lima couldn't afford to break in the face of bomb cars or electrical sabotage.

Life had to go on and the page had to be turned, something you don't see with 9/11 given how usonian media tries to act as it never happened.

And of course, things got even murkier when I learned about usonian interventionism in the Middle East during the Cold War and how many muslim countries suffered by the political gaming between the USSR and the USA much like what happened in Latin America.

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#326834: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:21:24 AM

Either resentment, cynicism, edginess or poor coping mechanisms made more than one person respond to the events with a "Good, they deserve it". Latin america having long been a punching bag for U.S interests had plenty of those responses.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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#326835: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:26:13 AM

More than a little mockery over the event made the rounds here in Brazil, that's for sure.

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#326836: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:27:14 AM

One thing is sure, Bush's reponse made things so much worse throughout the world.

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#326837: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:29:29 AM

I was only 5 when 9/11 happened. I only heard about it when I was 8-10 years old.

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#326838: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:29:59 AM

Some news from Twitter:

#AllBuildingsMatter trended and some conservatives came close to understanding BLM.

[[https://twitter.com/search?q="Under God" Trump did not recite the "Under God" part of the Pledge of Allegiance when he was at Flight 93 memorial for 9/11 remembrance this morning.]] Don't expect conservatives to make much out of it.

Speaking of Krugman, people from the FBI have spoken out and said hate crimes against Muslims did spike in after 9/11. I also remember hearing about hate crime spikes against Sikhs because they simply "looked" Muslim.

Edited by tclittle on Sep 11th 2020 at 12:35:44 PM

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#326839: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:37:33 AM

Trump did not recite the "Under God" part of the Pledge of Allegiance when he was at One Trade Center for 9/11 remembrance this morning.

Good. He shouldn't. That's an addition stapled to the pledge a decade after its adoption as a way of flipping off the Soviets by affirming the U.S. as God's Chosen People, and also of affirming American capitalism as a heavenly-blessed holy ordained practiced. And it's a violation of the separation of Church and State that's been allowed to stand for decades, because people who have a problem with the aforementioned have long been a minority in our politics.

And also because, honestly, opposing that part of the pledge is splitting hairs when the entire concept of the Pledge of Allegiance is terrible. It's basically just a brainwashing tool for recruiting children into nationalist zealotry, with or without the explicit reference to Christianity as our nation's Master Religion.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 11th 2020 at 10:40:02 AM

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#326840: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:41:00 AM

Keep Religion away from anything government related.

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#326841: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:41:54 AM

Was probably 8 or so when the 9/11 itself happened. I remember a lot of reports on the scene, with a lot of firemen at work. Only much later did I know what it really was.

Nowadays, I wonder when people will consider it history and not contemporary, like the sinking of the Titanic.

Edited by RainingMetal on Sep 11th 2020 at 10:42:10 AM

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#326842: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:42:34 AM

I mean. Unless it is to guarantee the exercise of it

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#326843: Sep 11th 2020 at 10:43:51 AM

Even guaranteeing the exercise of it needs asterisks when "Exercising my faith" is used as an excuse to strip other people of human rights.

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#326845: Sep 11th 2020 at 11:09:39 AM

...the fact that if we make villify Republicans for doing things that they themselves villify Democrats for doing, then we are conceding to them that we don't actually care about those things, that we don't have any actual positions or values just like them, and that just like them, we only really care about Defeat The Other Team.

Like, maybe you feel that way, but I think the Pledge of Allegiance and especially the Under God aspect are horrible things that need to end, and that opinion doesn't change just because an opportunity to score political points by embracing it has opened up. I don't think a chance to cry "Hypocrite!" is worth surrendering my position at the debate table and accepting the Republican position.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 11th 2020 at 11:11:13 AM

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#326846: Sep 11th 2020 at 11:10:16 AM

[up][up]Because that is not a standard we should be upholding, especially not to score a cheap dunk for their hypocrisy.

Edited by Mio on Sep 11th 2020 at 2:10:27 PM

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#326847: Sep 11th 2020 at 11:19:28 AM

And it's not like we are lacking for actual criticism of this president.

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#326848: Sep 11th 2020 at 11:20:03 AM

Basically, Democrats shouldn't lower themselves to imitate the Republicans even if that means missing a cheap shot. It might sound a bit arrogant at first glance but there is such a thing as elevating the standards of discussion.

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#326849: Sep 11th 2020 at 11:23:31 AM

When it comes to pointless dunks "They Go Low We Go High" is less destructive and foolish then normal. So I'd definitely apply it here.

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#326850: Sep 11th 2020 at 11:27:51 AM

National pledges of allegiance are never made in countries that feel secure about the allegiance of their citizens. I am a Dutch citizen, and I have never once had to pledge my allegiance to my country. It is taken as a given that I am. My country shows it has faith in me by not demanding a pledge like that.

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