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devak They call me.... Prophet Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#326526: Sep 8th 2020 at 12:03:01 AM

[up]Yea and if that doesn't work, we have to find more stuff.

You guys seem to seriously mistaking "This is not a guarantee" for "this is impossible". Oxford vaccine can still fail in Phase 3, at which point they have to find other candidates. Even if one is available, that means more trials to run, meaning more months. That one can also fail at any point. Why do you think it takes years to normally develop these things?

You seem to think it's some sort of engineering problem where we are looking for a wheel that fits a car, in stead of incredibly complicated chemistry with human immune systems which are both fickle and highly variable.

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#326527: Sep 8th 2020 at 12:03:41 AM

Wouldn't this be better suited for the COVID-19 thread?

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#326528: Sep 8th 2020 at 12:10:57 AM

[up][up] It also normally takes years because we don't go from phase 1 to phase 3 within months of first running into a disease.

The major question is more safety than long term effectiveness, if our aim is to prevent transmission.

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#326529: Sep 8th 2020 at 12:12:40 AM

If you want to have a lengthy discussion yes, but that's not what my point was or why i even responded to it.

I'm not even sure why pointing out how vaccine development normally goes produces such a strong response. It normally takes years, can require many candidates and many trials, and many vaccines fail, and can do so at any stage of testing. Fauci can expect all he wants, annd it's not impossible. But if a COVID vaccine happens this year or early next year, it would be far faster in virtually every aspect than any other vaccine, and it's not anti-science to point that out. It's not anti-science to point out how the fucking science works.

A vaccine within a year or so of its virus appearing would be not just a monumental achievement, but it also would require everything to work out perfectly. And the trash bin of the medical industry is the biggest pile of evidence against that.

[up]There are also signs of people getting re-infected, and the immune response to COVID is exceptionally broad and varied. On top of that, anti-vaxx in the USA may mean no useable vaccination rate may be achieved.

Edited by devak on Sep 8th 2020 at 9:15:38 PM

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#326530: Sep 8th 2020 at 12:18:57 AM

I’ve replied in the COVID thread, the short version of my post is that we have gotten a working Ebola vaccine in seven years with 8 vaccines having been worked on, COVID has 166 being worked on, the scale of effort here is beyond that we’ve done before and solves a lot of things that normally slow development.

Edited by Silasw on Sep 8th 2020 at 7:19:26 PM

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#326531: Sep 8th 2020 at 12:21:44 AM

Getting back on-topic, found this: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump/trump-calls-biden-stupid-demands-apology-for-challenging-him-on-vaccines-idUSKBN25Y21S

Trump calls Biden 'stupid,' demands apology for challenging him on vaccines

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican President Donald Trump, accused by Joe Biden of putting lives at risk in his handling of the coronavirus, on Monday called his Democratic rival "stupid" and demanded an apology for what Trump called anti-vaccine rhetoric.

Trailing in national opinion polls as the U.S. death toll from the virus approaches 190,000, Trump unleashed a broad attack against both the former vice president, his opponent in the Nov. 3 election, and Biden's running mate, U.S. Senator Kamala Harris.

Trump has said that a vaccine against the virus would be ready in record time, perhaps before the election, raising questions about whether political pressure might result in the deployment of a vaccine before it is safe.

Harris had said she would not trust Trump with a vaccine before the election and Biden, critical of Trump's response to the virus, has urged Americans to heed the scientists. Critics accuse Trump of undermining scientists during the pandemic.

Speaking in front of the White House at a U.S. Labor Day news conference, Trump said: "Biden and his very liberal running mate, the most liberal person in Congress by the way - is not a competent person in my opinion, would destroy this country and would destroy this economy - should immediately apologize for the reckless anti-vaccine rhetoric that they are talking right now," adding: "It undermines science."

The president called Biden "stupid."

Trump again dismissed a report in The Atlantic that he had referred to fallen U.S. soldiers as "suckers" and "losers" and highlighted a denial of the story by an aide to former White House chief of staff John Kelly, Zach Fuentes.

"The story is a hoax," Trump said. "Who would say a thing like that? Only an animal would say a thing like that."

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#326532: Sep 8th 2020 at 12:27:54 AM

[up] Again with the superlatives and lack of self-awareness...

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#326533: Sep 8th 2020 at 1:21:14 AM

Is "stupid" really the best insult that he can come up with? "Lyin' Biden" is right there tongue

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#326534: Sep 8th 2020 at 1:29:21 AM

[up] Don't give him ideas.

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#326535: Sep 8th 2020 at 3:01:15 AM

I forgot that he already used that for Ted Cruz.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#326536: Sep 8th 2020 at 3:16:30 AM

Trump's presidency reminds me of Baltar's. I finally think we have a fictional example that correlates.

He's miserable, we're miserable, and everyone hates everyone else.

And I can't believe anyone in history wants to call Kalama Harris, "The most liberal person in Congress." I know he's using it as code for something else (female, black) but that's an impressive reach.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 8th 2020 at 3:17:34 AM

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#326537: Sep 8th 2020 at 3:33:56 AM

[up] Trump is incapable of not using superlatives - everything thas to be the worst, the biggest, the most liberal, the most whatever.

My "favourite" is when he called himself the most humble person.

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#326538: Sep 8th 2020 at 4:29:58 AM

[up][up] While Harris isn’t the most liberal person in Congress, I believe she is one of the five most liberal senators, so she does have a leftist record compared to many other members of Congress.

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#326539: Sep 8th 2020 at 5:36:55 AM

On US-Chinese relations, cotton is a possible agenda.

US may ban cotton imports from China's Xinjiang region, where Muslim minorities face human-rights atrocities

The US government could ban cotton imports from the Xinjiang region of China, where Beijing has committed human rights atrocities against minority Muslim populations, including forcibly sterilizing women.

The US could introduce the ban as soon as Tuesday, the New York Times reported. It would have major implications for clothes manufacturers around the world: China is the world’s biggest supplier of cotton products and more than 80% of the country’s cotton comes from Xinjiang.

It is not clear whether the ban will only cover cotton items exported from Xinjiang, or be extended to products that contain Xinjiang cotton but come to the US from a different country, the paper reported.

The ban would be designed to pressure Beijing over its treatment of Muslim minorities, mainly Uighurs, who are forced to work and live in detention camps for little or no pay. Torture, sterilisation of Uighur women, and forced separation are just some oppression tactics that they face.

A report written by more than 180 human rights groups in July named 38 companies that sell items stemming from forced Muslim labour, including Adidas, H&M, and Tommy Hilfiger. Many companies named in the report pledged to investigate their supply chains, and some, including Adidas and Tommy Hilfiger, denied sourcing any goods from factories in Xinjiang.

US lawmakers proposed legislation in March that would prohibit the import of any products made by forced labour in Xinjiang. However, President Donald Trump told China’s President Xi Jinping in 2019 that building concentration camps for millions of Uighur Muslims was “exactly the right thing to do,” according to former Trump adviser John Bolton.

On Friday, it emerged that Disney filmed parts of its live-action remake of Mulan in Xinjiang. The movie thanks the Chinese Communist Party Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region Committee and the Bureau of Public Security in the city of Turpan in the end credits.

The US government put the bureau on the Entity List of the Export Administration Regulations back in July 2020, saying it was involved in human rights violations and the oppression of Uighurs.

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#326540: Sep 8th 2020 at 5:56:53 AM

Of course Trump would support a concentration camp for Muslims.

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#326541: Sep 8th 2020 at 6:07:34 AM

@Charles Phipps I know the Insult to Rocks thing is a bit of a cliche, but I feel that comparing Trump to Baltar is giving Trump too much credit. Though, to be fair to the meme, Baltar is a particularly anti-villainous character.

Trump is better compared to a weird cross between Bob Page from Deus Ex and Bowser. Basically, if Bob Page had Bowser's mannerisms and buffoonishness, that's basically Trump.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#326542: Sep 8th 2020 at 6:14:15 AM

As I said before, if you want an fictional character to compare Trump to, how about literally every side-antagonist from Akumetsu. tongue

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 8th 2020 at 3:14:55 PM

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#326543: Sep 8th 2020 at 6:18:16 AM

Biff!

No wait, Biff can actually run a successful casino.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 8th 2020 at 7:38:46 AM

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#326544: Sep 8th 2020 at 7:27:25 AM

[up] That's right, Trump compares unfavorably to a character that was literally meant to be a cartoonish supervillain caricature of him.

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#326545: Sep 8th 2020 at 7:38:30 AM

I will give Trump that one.

NO ONE will caricature him! He's the worst you can get!

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Draedi Since: Mar, 2019
#326546: Sep 8th 2020 at 8:02:53 AM

Trump is basically every liberal stereotype of what we think conservatives are/what they'd put up with, come to life.

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#326547: Sep 8th 2020 at 8:05:47 AM

I wouldn't believe any vaccine this administration put forward, there's too many snake oil salesman here to actually believe what is being sold.

Case in point, this is why we need Biden. Trump makes vaccine skepticism rational.

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#326548: Sep 8th 2020 at 8:12:29 AM

The thing that pisses me off about Trump when it comes to COVID, had he just for ONCE put his ego to the side, and bit the bullet we could've beaten this thing within six-eight weeks, back in late, Feb-early March.

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#326549: Sep 8th 2020 at 8:22:02 AM

[up]That’s definitely too much credit. The most that could have happened is not actively encouraging the behavior that makes this worse, but no conservative administration would ever allow the kinds of shutdowns necessary to actually flatten the curve.

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#326550: Sep 8th 2020 at 8:23:42 AM

[up][up] His suicidal-overinflated ego would never have allowed him that.

We are talking about a "man" that is so delusional that he thinks it's perfectly fine to drink bleach in order to "disinfect the lungs" (how on earth that makes sense) and only backing off with a "just joking" or "sarcasm" rather than admit "I was wrong" about that part when told by multiple people, repeatedly, what a idiotic idea that was.

Trump is never going to go down peacefully from anything and Covid is no exception, as he is still using it as a political tool in order to smear Biden and nothing else.

He is still not taking this epidemic seriously, nine months in since first warned about it.

Edited by TitanJump on Sep 8th 2020 at 5:23:53 PM


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