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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#325901: Sep 2nd 2020 at 2:58:50 PM

Fox News moderating the first debate... what?

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#325902: Sep 2nd 2020 at 2:59:29 PM

Not Fox News; Chris Wallace of Fox News: their Only Sane Man.

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#325903: Sep 2nd 2020 at 3:01:53 PM

Why C Hris Wallace doesn't move on to more sane pastures like CNN or ABC, I don't know.

Maybe he's no choice to stay because Fox News would fall apart completely and there's no way Ruport Murdoch wants that?

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#325904: Sep 2nd 2020 at 3:14:21 PM

Resignation only makes thing worse.

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#325905: Sep 2nd 2020 at 3:29:01 PM

He doesn't resign because he's presumably paid well at Fox.

After all, his lack of frothing insanity is why Fox keeps him. His purpose as Token Reasonable Person is to make their more extreme acts more respectable, gormless centrists eat that shit up.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 2nd 2020 at 3:29:14 AM

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#325906: Sep 2nd 2020 at 3:34:17 PM

I don't think that actually works with Fox's audience.

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#325907: Sep 2nd 2020 at 3:41:29 PM

I figured he's useful to them for "legal reasons". What laws are in play, I'm not sure, but it probably involves being able to point to him and say "nuh-uh" when someone accuses them of something.

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#325908: Sep 2nd 2020 at 3:42:27 PM

You'll probably find being at fox probably pays well thus moving to other networks is less advantageous,plus he's probably got connections there too,it's also possible Fox's rep would make it hard for him to get accepted on other networks

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#325909: Sep 2nd 2020 at 3:52:51 PM

Fox is notably listed as an entertainment network not a news network. He's one of the few "sane" ones because a news organization is legally required to report the facts.

Also networks are legally required to have at least one block of time that reports the news-news.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 2nd 2020 at 3:53:15 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#325910: Sep 2nd 2020 at 3:54:20 PM

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/politics/georgia-voter-rolls-report/index.html

More voter removal in Georgia.

I literally find this worse than murder and believe the Governor should spend the rest of his life in a maximum security prison.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 2nd 2020 at 3:54:33 AM

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#325911: Sep 2nd 2020 at 4:05:10 PM

[up] What the fuck. Not at your response, but at the governor's actions.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#325912: Sep 2nd 2020 at 4:08:14 PM

[up]This is why I still fear a Trump Presidency.

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#325913: Sep 2nd 2020 at 4:17:30 PM

So I'm not particularly worried about the debates. Because a) seeming more mature, presidential and well-spoken than Trump is not a difficult task, and b) Trump seems to have bought the 'Biden is senile' line and thus is probably gonna drastically underestimate him.

Edited by Gilphon on Sep 2nd 2020 at 7:17:51 AM

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#325914: Sep 2nd 2020 at 4:20:10 PM

Fox is notably listed as an entertainment network not a news network. He's one of the few "sane" ones because a news organization is legally required to report the facts.

Where is this list exactly? I keep seeing people repeat this but when I looked it up all I see are fact checkers saying this is a lie spread by a Facebook meme.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#325915: Sep 2nd 2020 at 4:25:32 PM

[up] That is in fact false information. Here’s Snopes on the issue: [1]

Fox News (as well as CNN and MSNBC) is not an accredited news station because no regulatory body exists in the United States that has the authority to make such a classification.

Basically there’s no such thing as programming being “listed as news” or “listed as entertainment”.

Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 2nd 2020 at 4:29:14 AM

They should have sent a poet.
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#325916: Sep 2nd 2020 at 4:26:39 PM

Chris Wallace has largely replaced Shep Smith as the one person on the payroll that isn't a propagandist pretending (and badly at that) to be a journalist. I trust him to moderate fairly.

Why C Hris Wallace doesn't move on to more sane pastures like CNN or ABC, I don't know.

I imagine his seniority pay is pretty good, he's been there for a while. And at 72, I doubt he's that eager to switch networks, likely to a less prominent position.

Addendum: important to note that Steve Scully (C-SPAN) and Kristen Welker (NBC News) are moderating the second and third debate respectively. Susan Page (USA Today) is doing the VP debate.

https://deadline.com/2020/09/debate-moderators-donald-trump-joe-biden-1234568845/

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Sep 2nd 2020 at 8:35:37 AM

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#325917: Sep 2nd 2020 at 5:03:13 PM

The Hill: Trump encourages North Carolina residents to test system by voting twice tells supporters to attempt voter fraud in North Carolina

President Trump on Wednesday suggested supporters in North Carolina should illegally attempt to vote both by mail and in-person, saying doing so would test the integrity of the system.

Asked by reporters whether he trusted North Carolina's mail-in balloting system, the president responded "let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote."

"If it's as good as they say it is then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote. So that's the way it is. And that's what they should do," he added. Voting more than once in the same election is illegal.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#325918: Sep 2nd 2020 at 5:05:25 PM

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2020/09/02/day-1322/

Day 1322: "Why would he do this?"

    😷 Dept. of “We Have It Totally Under Control.” 
Global: Total confirmed cases: ~25,861,000; deaths: ~860,000

U.S.: Total confirmed cases: ~6,108,000; deaths: ~186,000

Source: Johns Hopkins University

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

💻 COVID-19 Live Blogs: New York Times / Washington Post / CNN

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/02/world/covid-19-coronavirus.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/02/sturgis-rally-death-coronavirus/

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-09-02-20-intl/h_8028fb993da396d025f1cdb16c265181

🗳 How To Vote In The 2020 Election In Every State. Everything you need to know about mail-in and early in-person voting in every state in the age of COVID-19, including the first day you can cast your ballot in the 2020 election. (FiveThirtyEight / NBC News / Wall Street Journal)

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/how-to-vote-2020/

https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/plan-your-vote-state-by-state-guide-voting-by-mail-early-in-person-voting-election/index.html?cid=bc_npd_nn_ms_np-1_200816

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-vote-by-mail-in-every-state-11597840923

    Main Stories 
1/ The CDC directed states to prepare to distribute a coronavirus vaccine to health care workers and high-risk groups as soon as late October or early November, heightening concerns that the Trump administration is seeking to rush a vaccine before Election Day. Public health officials in all states and territories, as well as New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Houston, and San Antonio, were sent CDC guidance outlining scenarios for distributing two vaccine candidates — each requiring two doses a few weeks apart — at hospitals, mobile clinics, and other facilities. And, in a letter to state governors and health departments last week, CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield asked state governors to waive permits for building vaccine distribution sites “that would prevent these facilities from becoming fully operational by November 1, 2020.” Dr. Anthony Fauci and FDA Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn have both recently said that a vaccine could be available before clinical trials have been completed. “I believe that by the time we get to the end of this calendar year,” Fauci said, “we will feel comfortable that we do have a safe and effective vaccine.” Hahn added that an emergency authorization for a vaccine could be appropriate even before the vaccine has completed Phase 3 clinical trials. (New York Times / CNN / The Hill / NBC News / Washington Post / Bloomberg / Wall Street Journal / Politico)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/health/cdc-covid-19-vaccine-distribution/index.html

2/ The Trump administration backed out of a $646.7 million deal to buy ventilators after a congressional investigation found “evidence of fraud, waste and abuse” in the acquisition, which negotiated by White House trade advisor Peter Navarro. The House Committee on Oversight and Reform’s Subcommittee on Economic and Consumer Policy has since opened a probe of all federal contracts negotiated by Navarro. (ProPublica / Washington Post / CNBC)

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/31/coronavirus-house-panel-opens-probe-of-white-house-trade-advisor-navarro-after-cancellation-of-ventilator-contract.html

Congressional investigators uncovered more than $1 billion dollars in potential waste and fraud in the Paycheck Protection Program. The money went to companies that “double dipped” and received multiple in violation of the program’s rules, according to a preliminary analysis by the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis. The report says there is a “high risk that PPP loans may have been diverted from small businesses truly in need to ineligible businesses or even to criminals.” The subcommittee found more than 10,000 loans in which the borrowers obtained more than one loan. Because the Trump administration decided to only audit loans for more than $2 million, only 65 of the loans would otherwise have been subject to additional review. More than 600 loans totaling nearly $100 million went to companies that are barred or suspended from doing business with the federal government. More than 350 loans worth roughly $200 million went to government contractors that had been flagged by the federal government for performance or integrity issues. More than 11,000 additional borrowers had other red flags of various types. (NBC News / Chicago Tribune)

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/congressional-investigation-finds-over-1-billion-ppp-fraud-n1239001

3/ FEMA will no longer reimburse states for the cost of face masks and personal protective equipment in nonemergency settings. Under the new guidance, which goes into effect on Sept. 15., cloth face coverings and PPE for teachers, schools, public housing, and courthouses will no longer be eligible for the public assistance fund because they don’t meet FEMA’s definition of a “direct emergency protective measures.” The Department of Health and Human Services, however, said “schools in need will still receive cloth face masks” from HHS instead of FEMA. (NPR)

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/09/01/908413181/fema-says-it-will-stop-paying-for-cloth-face-masks-for-schools

4/ The Department of Homeland Security withheld an intelligence bulletin warning of a Russian campaign to spread misinformation about Joe Biden’s mental health. In the draft July bulletin, titled “Russia Likely to Denigrate Health of US Candidates to Influence 2020 Election,” analysts said with “high confidence” that “Russian malign influence actors are likely to continue denigrating presidential candidates through allegations of poor mental or physical health to influence the outcome of the 2020 election.” An hour after its submission, however, DHS Chief of Staff John Gountanis intervened, saying “Please hold on sending this one out until you have a chance to speak to [acting Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf].” The Biden campaign, meanwhile, accused Trump of blocking the release of the report, saying the Russian narrative “aligns with Trump’s own constantly backfiring attacks” that Biden is not mentally competent to be president. “And why would he do this?” a spokesperson for the Biden campaign said, “Because Russia and the Trump campaign are speaking from the same script of smears and lies.” Nearly two months later, the bulletin has not been circulated to local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies. (ABC News / NBC News / CNN / CNBC / Axios)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/dhs-has-delayed-intel-report-foreign-powers-trying-raise-doubts-n1239067

5/ Melania Trump “regularly” used a private email account while in the White House. Stephanie Winston Wolkoff said she corresponded multiple times per day with Melania through a private Trump Organization email account, iMessage, and Signal, an encrypted messaging app. Trump made the FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private emails and server a major part of his 2016 campaign, calling it “worse than Watergate.” (Washington Post / Associated Press / Axios)

https://apnews.com/54d09be4086a084ff13ed11561871581

poll/ 8% of Americans said crime was a top priority for the country, compared with 30% who said it was the economy or jobs, and 16% who said it was healthcare. (Reuters)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKBN25T1I3

poll/ 52% of voters view the Black Lives Matter movement favorably – a 9 percentage point drop since June. (Politico)

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/02/trump-black-lives-matter-poll-407227

poll/ 28% of Biden supporters say they won’t accept a Trump victory as fair and accurate, while 19% of Trump’s supporters say they won’t accept a Biden victory as legitimate. (USA Today)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/09/02/biden-leads-trump-narrower-7-points-post-conventions-suffolk-poll/3446536001/?scrolla=5eb6d68b7fedc32c19ef33b4

poll/ 57% of Democratic voters plan to cast their ballots before Election Day, either through the mail (28%), a drop box (11%), or voting early at a satellite location (18%). 66% of Republicans, meanwhile, plan to vote in-person on Election Day. (Grinnell College)

https://www.grinnell.edu/news/joe-biden-leads-donald-trump-latest-grinnell-college-national-poll

poll/ 36% of Americans expect the winner of the 2020 presidential election to be announced on election night. 24% expect the results announced within one or two days of Election Day, 14% think we’ll know in a week, and 13% think it will take a few weeks. (Axios)

https://www.axios.com/axios-ipsos-poll-election-results-f0f50a06-ece6-40ce-b08c-d488156429e9.html

A Democratic data and analytics firm warned of a “red mirage” on election night, where it’ll appear that Trump has won, but lose days later when mail ballots are counted. (Axios)

https://www.axios.com/bloomberg-group-trump-election-night-scenarios-a554e8f5-9702-437e-ae75-d2be478d42bb.html

Editor’s note: Friendly reminder that polls should be thought of as directional evidence of a prevailing feeling. They’re inherently flawed, biased, and should never be used for prediction. Like the weather report, polls are a point-in-time temperature check. We’ve all been caught out in the rain on sunny day, right?

    ✏️ Notables. 
An internal Census Bureau document warned that cutting the 2020 census short increased the risk of “serious errors” in the national head count, which “may not be fixed.” Last month, the Trump administration forced the bureau to end all counting efforts a month sooner and prepare state population totals for Trump by the end of this year, as required by federal law. (NPR)

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/02/908852878/leak-reveals-warnings-inside-census-that-shortened-schedule-risks-serious-errors

Trump and his campaign accused the Drudge Report and a CNN analyst of spreading rumors that Trump had a “series of mini-strokes.” Yesterday, despite no media outlets reporting that Trump had a stroke, Trump tweeted an unprompted denial, calling the non-existent reports “FAKE NEWS.” The Drudge Report had led with the headline: “TRUMP DENIES MINI-STROKE SENT HIM TO HOSPITAL.” The Trump campaign also called for CNN to fire Joe Lockhart, saying he, too, had spread the rumor when he asked on Twitter if Trump had “a stroke which he is hiding from the American public.” Pence, meanwhile, told Fox News that he does not “recall” being told to be on “standby” in the event Trump “had to undergo a procedure that would have required him to be anesthetized” during his his sudden visit to Walter Reed Medical Center last November. The White House has never explained Trump’s visit to Walter Reed, describing it only as a “routine, planned interim checkup.” (Politico / Axios / Talking Points Memo)

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/01/trump-health-mini-strokes-406953

A Kenosha business owner accused Trump of using his burned camera shop for political gain. Tom Gram, the owner of a Rode’s Camera Shop, said he declined the White House’s request to be part of Trump’s tour of the damage. Instead, the former owner of the shop participated in the tour and praised Trump’s response to the demonstrations. (WTMJ-TV / The Hill)

https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/kenosha-business-owner-declines-president-trump-photo-op-former-owner-replaces-him

A former top Department of Homeland Security official accused the Trump administration of “throwing fuel on the fire” of domestic extremism in the United States. Elizabeth Neumann, who resigned in April, said right-wing extremist groups “borrowed from ISIS’s playbook and they learned how to radicalize people online.” White House Communications Director Alyssa Farah, meanwhile, dismissed Neumann’s concerns as those of a “disgruntled employee.” (NPR)

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/02/908347989/former-dhs-official-white-house-failed-to-take-far-right-extremism-seriously

Federal prosecutors are reportedly preparing to charge a longtime GOP fundraiser in connection with efforts to influence the U.S. government on behalf of foreign interests. “Elliott Broidy is under scrutiny for his alleged role in a campaign to persuade high-level Trump administration officials to drop an investigation of Malaysian government corruption, as well as for his attempt to push for the extradition of an outspoken Chinese dissident back to his home country.” (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/justice-department-elliott-broidy/2020/09/01/1eaff4fa-ea16-11ea-970a-64c73a1c2392_story.html

Trump told Sarah Sanders to “go to North Korea and take one for the team” after Kim Jong-un appeared to wink at her during a summit in Singapore in June 2018. “We made direct eye contact and Kim nodded and appeared to wink at me,” the former White House press secretary wrote in her memoir. “I was stunned. I quickly looked down and continued taking notes.” When Sanders told Trump and John Kelly, then chief of staff, about the incident, Trump replied: “Kim Jong Un hit on you! He did! He fucking hit on you! […] That settles it. You’re going to North Korea and taking one for the team!” Sanders replied: “Sir, please stop.” (The Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/01/donald-trump-sarah-sanders-take-one-for-the-team-kim-jong-un-wink-book

The federal debt is expected to exceed the size of the economy in 2021 as a result of the pandemic recession – a level not reached since the aftermath of World War II. (Wall Street Journal / New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/09/02/business/stock-market-today-coronavirus?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage#the-federal-debt-is-on-track-to-outpace-us-economy-in-2021-budget-office-says

    👑 Portrait of a president. 
Trump’s interviews with friendly hosts can go awry even when they throw him a lifeline. “Trump’s ominous answer about anarchists and looters supposedly packing a commercial jet flying to Washington came in response to a fairly simple but unrelated question.” (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-interviews-with-friendly-hosts-can-go-awry-even-when-they-try-to-save-him-from-himself/2020/09/01/be288312-ec69-11ea-a21a-0fbbe90cfd8c_story.html

Trump says some really strange things. Republicans say no comment, again. Trump “said some startling things in an interview with Laura Ingraham on Fox News. To name a few: A plane ‘almost completely loaded with thugs’ wearing black uniforms had come to Washington last week to disrupt the Republican National Convention. The president’s opponent in the 2020 campaign, former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., was being controlled by ‘people that you’ve never heard of, people that are in the dark shadows.’ Police officers like the one in Kenosha, Wis., who shot an unarmed Black man seven times last week — leaving him paralyzed from the waist down — have a hard time with pressure and so ‘they choke, just like in a golf tournament, they miss a three-foot.’” (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/01/us/politics/trump-republicans.html

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 2nd 2020 at 5:06:02 AM

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#325919: Sep 2nd 2020 at 6:09:38 PM

I'm really worried about the pandemic being used as a point of debate in the election. This should never have become a political issue and I think the fact that it has says a lot about how bad the situation between left and right has gotten.

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#325920: Sep 2nd 2020 at 6:14:09 PM

[up]I mean, the pandemic became a political issue when Trump failed to respond adequately to it. In fact he not only failed, but actively made it worse at multiple points by downplaying it. And in an election year a failure like that is inevitably going to come up. It didn't need to be made political, but Trump and the GOP made it so.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Sep 2nd 2020 at 9:15:22 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#325921: Sep 2nd 2020 at 6:15:44 PM

Of course it's political. The pandemic being as bad as it is in the USA is a direct result of the Trump administration failing in the response on nearly every conceivable level. And I think I'm being overly generous by including the "nearly" qualifier.

Edited by M84 on Sep 2nd 2020 at 9:16:35 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#325922: Sep 2nd 2020 at 6:15:55 PM

He also made it political by blatantly partitioning add to states that either already support him or he needs to focus on to win, instead of where it was actually most needed.

Talking about the pandemic at a debate might be interesting, just because the Republican line at this point might just be that the pandemic is over.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#325923: Sep 2nd 2020 at 6:17:19 PM

The only bright spot is that Trump/the GOP were so incompetent with their making the pandemic political and handling of it. If they'd done anything like a good job Trump would have coasted to re-election.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#325924: Sep 2nd 2020 at 6:19:20 PM

Heck, I'm pretty sure a lot of us on this forum would have given credit where credit is due if Trump and his administration had somehow grew the fuck up and actually dealt with the pandemic in a reasonable manner and done what they could to minimize the number of cases and deaths.

But that would have required Donald Trump to, well, not be Donald Trump.

It was entirely predictable that Trump would mess up the pandemic response badly and that it would cause horrific damage to the USA. We all knew that Trump would be worse than useless in the face of a genuine crisis.

Edited by M84 on Sep 2nd 2020 at 9:21:30 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#325925: Sep 2nd 2020 at 6:19:55 PM

If he could love, then he may never have killed and, in fact, may never have become Lord Voldemort at all.


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