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#325851: Sep 2nd 2020 at 9:20:13 AM

Yeah, see, it's okay to kill people without due process, but stealing money? This is completely out of line.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#325853: Sep 2nd 2020 at 9:29:17 AM

What.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#325854: Sep 2nd 2020 at 9:30:05 AM

"Take one for the team"? What?

The irony here is that Trump himself talks about Kim Jong Un in rather romantic terms. Perhaps he was projecting again.

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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#325855: Sep 2nd 2020 at 9:32:39 AM

So Trump basically asked a woman to "trade sex for favors" (for himself) with a dictator?

So like him. (Looks like he took advice from Putin again...)

Nothing Trump does will ever surprise anyone anymore...

Edited by TitanJump on Sep 2nd 2020 at 6:33:40 PM

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#325856: Sep 2nd 2020 at 9:35:21 AM

Already saw some people trot out the old "just a joke" excuse again - only for others to point out that Huckabee-Sanders was clearly uncomfortable, so "just a joke" doesn't cut it in any case.

You know, if everything Trump says is "just a joke", he shouldn't be president - he should be a third-grade comedian who complains on social media that society doesn't laugh at his shitty jokes.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Sep 2nd 2020 at 6:36:02 PM

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#325857: Sep 2nd 2020 at 9:43:21 AM

He makes Andrew Dice Clay look dignified and high class.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#325858: Sep 2nd 2020 at 9:45:05 AM

The fact that Markey got the label of being a progressive darling despite voting for Iraq, NAFTA, Crime Bill, etc amongst other things certain progressive types despised other politicians for is completely bizarre to me, and shows to me the movement among those in that particular sector of the party is basically vapid, unserious, and most of all, performative with no unifying consistent principles, other than their perceived notions of an enemy.

Yes, someone doesn't look progressive if you willfully ignore the ways that they're progressive. The only vapid thing is this "analysis", Markey has a long history of pushing progressive policies, that he had questionable votes is just evidence that he was imperfect and that his supporters don't engage in purity politics.

Yes, Kennedy had very similar policies. But that's not a reason to accept him, he arrogantly rushed ahead to challenge a Senator who was going to retire anyway. It's pure hubris and no one has any obligation to respect that. If he had done the sensible, non-hubristic, thing and chosen to just wait and run later then the reaction would be very different.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 2nd 2020 at 9:49:12 AM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#325859: Sep 2nd 2020 at 9:47:30 AM

Honestly the interesting thing to me is learning that insulting the Kennedys, or appearing to, seems to be a Berserk Button for Pelosi.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#325860: Sep 2nd 2020 at 9:50:44 AM

Yeah, and it doesn't seem to have been a "moderates vs progressives" thing either. Markey was endorsed by Schumer and Joe Manchin.

It seems to have been a bizarre fight between House and Senate Democrats about the former trying to promote one of their own and the latter protecting theirs.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 2nd 2020 at 9:51:16 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#325861: Sep 2nd 2020 at 9:59:16 AM

[up][up]I mean I can understand it a little. JFK is still the best president for many people.

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#325862: Sep 2nd 2020 at 10:08:14 AM

I wonder...

-Checks dates-

Wow. Pelosi was only 20 years old when JFK was elected president. I really do wonder if her endorsement was a favor in memory to a role model from her younger years.

Edited by Parable on Sep 2nd 2020 at 10:08:50 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#325863: Sep 2nd 2020 at 10:10:32 AM

I would imagine so. JFK was an icon back then, even more so than Obama used to be in 2008.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#325864: Sep 2nd 2020 at 10:11:57 AM

Schumer's endorsement makes a lot of sense, its his job to defends his caucus (unless one of them totally steps out of line).

And as for Pelosi, I suspect it was partially out of powermongering, and partially out of her nostalgia (as an establishment figure who cut her teeth in the 60s and 70s) for the Kennedy dynasty overwhelming her sense. The former in particular is strange, as she's committed to stepping down as Speaker (and likely leaving electoral politics) in 2022... unless she wants somewhat like minded Senators in place after she's gone...?

I don't get her reasoning, TBH.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#325865: Sep 2nd 2020 at 10:12:43 AM

It's somewhat understandable, but I wish she would've exercised more awareness of how it would look to outside observers. Pointlessly stoking moderate vs progressive aggrievement is a terrible unforced error.

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singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#325866: Sep 2nd 2020 at 10:24:06 AM

My take? If I were Richard Blumenthal I'd be taking notes from Senator Markey. Connecticut is just next door to Massachusetts and he's up for re-election in 2022...

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#325867: Sep 2nd 2020 at 10:27:28 AM

JFK being assassinated may also have something to do with it, making people from his party unwilling to criticize him at all.

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#325868: Sep 2nd 2020 at 10:35:08 AM

Afair Pelosi also started politics with the Kennedy's, so there's definitely a personal component here.

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#325869: Sep 2nd 2020 at 10:40:04 AM

She certainly seems to have taken it very personally.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#325870: Sep 2nd 2020 at 10:47:18 AM

In many ways, he is to the Democratic Party what Reagan is to the Republican Party.

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#325871: Sep 2nd 2020 at 10:52:34 AM

[up]Then what does that make FDR?

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#325872: Sep 2nd 2020 at 11:00:06 AM

I grew up in Kennedy country, surrounded by Irish Catholics, and from a family who was able to come to the US due to the Kennedies' efforts in helping get the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 passed.

Being second generation and thus a little distanced from those events allows me to be more critical of the Kennedies, but nevertheless I understand why certain demographics might worship them.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#325873: Sep 2nd 2020 at 11:13:33 AM

I heard one of them is a qanon believe or anti-masker.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#325874: Sep 2nd 2020 at 11:17:10 AM

I know that RFK Jr. is an anti-vaxer. Wouldn't be totally surprised if he moved on to those other conspiracy theories.

What's kind of "funny" is that he was a very respected environmental lawyer/ environmental activist.

So, I kind of assume it's a similar case as Ben Carson with someone wrongfully assuming that their expertise in one area of science carries over to other areas of science.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#325875: Sep 2nd 2020 at 11:22:17 AM

Then what does that make FDR?

The figure the party repudiated under Clinton. Sadly he has not had anything close to the same level of influence for the Democrats as Reagan does for the Republicans.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 2nd 2020 at 11:22:48 AM

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