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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I'm really not sure what "set progressives back" is even supposed to mean in this context. Do they think they'll get better policy with Trump in charge? I draw the line between "progressive" and "accelerationist".
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Probably "have to wait a decade before tackling labor reforms that could significantly boost the quality of if not outright save many of lives". It's easy to think "it sucks but I can still just wait for those reforms to happen" if you're not actually on the lowest echelons of society and barely affording to feed and clothe yourself while keeping a roof over your head, at which point emotion overrules a more logical approach.
Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 1st 2020 at 5:49:45 AM
It's not like there is literally any way for those reforms to happen any faster at this point.
Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Sep 1st 2020 at 5:51:26 AM
My musician pageI think anything that relies on someone becoming more progressive than they currently are is unlikely enough to not be worth considering.
My musician pageI wonder...
Obviously he best case scenario is that Biden wins. The single best thing Biden can do is win and prevent more Donald J. Trump. I am just left wondering for the future...whoever attributes themselves the Biden victory may drive a wedge between them.
That is to say, if Biden wins, the progressive branch will say "See, he won because he embraced us a bit" (and of course others still will say they never embraced him enough). And the moderates may say "No he won because he didn't embrace you enough".
Mmm. Actually, giving it some thought it may not matter whatsoever: Those two groups are split regardless of what happen and the progressives are screwed cuz' literally there is no other person remotely akin to their goals they can vote for who isn't in the democrat party.
Heck even Vermin Supreme went libertarian.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesHow does Trump loose the Drudge Report of all things?
Also
Edited by megaeliz on Sep 1st 2020 at 6:42:06 AM
MAGA Twitter was going ballistic and calling Drudge as more leftist than CNN. Was amusing to read.
So, tonight is the Markey-Kennedy primary in Massachusetts. That should be interesting, to say the least.
Edited by Rationalinsanity on Sep 1st 2020 at 7:52:20 AM
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.What's the specific term for that? How someone who betrayed your side is perceived as worse than those who were always your enemies?
My musician pageAlso, it's not like Biden can set policy in a vacuum. Congress has to pass legislation to support most of what he might want to do, and as Barack Obama found out, it doesn't matter how progressive your agenda is if you can't get it past the House or Senate.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Obama is a good example of the foolishness of moderation. He sought repeatedly to make bridges with people who utterly despised him and would block any benefit to the American people except billionaires. He was at his most successful going over his opposition than trying to work with them.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 1st 2020 at 4:07:31 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Yeah, and Obama's premier legislative success: PPACA, cost him control of Congress. If he'd gone for something "more progressive", he might not have had the Democrat votes to pass it.
Governing is about compromise. If you refuse and hold out for everything you want, you get nothing... unless you are willing to corrupt the system like Trump.
Edited by Fighteer on Sep 1st 2020 at 7:10:29 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Apparently! According to parents (one of whom often works the polls), there are usually two or even three shifts. We also have different polling places for most precincts, so my town has 10 precincts and 7 locations to staff. Maybe we just have more people willing to work the polls most of the time.

Eh, Biden is skirting the line between "sounding reasonable to moderates" and "sounding reasonable to progressives" as about as good as can be done. I get the strategy of turning off progressives, but i don't think that'll work. We're at a point where voting biden may set progressives back for 8-12 years and voting Trump gets progressives shot. And despite the Trump campaign trying their best to paint Trump as more moderate and reasonable, Trump keeps opening his mouth to disprove that.