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#325776: Sep 1st 2020 at 2:43:23 PM

Eh, Biden is skirting the line between "sounding reasonable to moderates" and "sounding reasonable to progressives" as about as good as can be done. I get the strategy of turning off progressives, but i don't think that'll work. We're at a point where voting biden may set progressives back for 8-12 years and voting Trump gets progressives shot. And despite the Trump campaign trying their best to paint Trump as more moderate and reasonable, Trump keeps opening his mouth to disprove that.

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#325777: Sep 1st 2020 at 2:45:00 PM

I'm really not sure what "set progressives back" is even supposed to mean in this context. Do they think they'll get better policy with Trump in charge? I draw the line between "progressive" and "accelerationist".

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#325778: Sep 1st 2020 at 2:49:14 PM

Probably "have to wait a decade before tackling labor reforms that could significantly boost the quality of if not outright save many of lives". It's easy to think "it sucks but I can still just wait for those reforms to happen" if you're not actually on the lowest echelons of society and barely affording to feed and clothe yourself while keeping a roof over your head, at which point emotion overrules a more logical approach.

Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 1st 2020 at 5:49:45 AM

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#325779: Sep 1st 2020 at 2:50:10 PM

[up]It's not like there is literally any way for those reforms to happen any faster at this point.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Sep 1st 2020 at 5:51:26 AM

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#325780: Sep 1st 2020 at 2:53:38 PM

Yes, Biden being more progressive and winning.

Or Biden, hopefully, only having one term and Harris being more progressive.

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#325781: Sep 1st 2020 at 2:55:19 PM

I think anything that relies on someone becoming more progressive than they currently are is unlikely enough to not be worth considering.

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#325782: Sep 1st 2020 at 2:57:11 PM

I just hope Biden doesn't procrastinate once he is actually in office.

Him just going back to his moderate, centrist positions would make a second term pretty difficult.

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#325783: Sep 1st 2020 at 3:00:24 PM

Biden's policies have always been....flexible.

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#325784: Sep 1st 2020 at 3:03:03 PM

I hope he won't actively obstruct more progressive members of his party.

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#325785: Sep 1st 2020 at 3:07:15 PM

I wonder...

Obviously he best case scenario is that Biden wins. The single best thing Biden can do is win and prevent more Donald J. Trump. I am just left wondering for the future...whoever attributes themselves the Biden victory may drive a wedge between them.

That is to say, if Biden wins, the progressive branch will say "See, he won because he embraced us a bit" (and of course others still will say they never embraced him enough). And the moderates may say "No he won because he didn't embrace you enough".

Mmm. Actually, giving it some thought it may not matter whatsoever: Those two groups are split regardless of what happen and the progressives are screwed cuz' literally there is no other person remotely akin to their goals they can vote for who isn't in the democrat party.

Heck even Vermin Supreme went libertarian.

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#325786: Sep 1st 2020 at 3:38:32 PM

ummm.....

How does Trump loose the Drudge Report of all things?

Also

Drudge didn’t support me in 2016, and I hear he doesn’t support me now. Maybe that’s why he is doing poorly. His Fake News report on Mini-Strokes is incorrect. Possibly thinking about himself, or the other party’s “candidate”.

Edited by megaeliz on Sep 1st 2020 at 6:42:06 AM

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#325787: Sep 1st 2020 at 3:40:30 PM

Did we cross over to double bizarro world?

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#325788: Sep 1st 2020 at 3:51:54 PM

MAGA Twitter was going ballistic and calling Drudge as more leftist than CNN. Was amusing to read.

So, tonight is the Markey-Kennedy primary in Massachusetts. That should be interesting, to say the least.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Sep 1st 2020 at 7:52:20 AM

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#325789: Sep 1st 2020 at 3:53:48 PM

What's the specific term for that? How someone who betrayed your side is perceived as worse than those who were always your enemies?

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#325790: Sep 1st 2020 at 3:59:46 PM

Also, it's not like Biden can set policy in a vacuum. Congress has to pass legislation to support most of what he might want to do, and as Barack Obama found out, it doesn't matter how progressive your agenda is if you can't get it past the House or Senate.

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#325791: Sep 1st 2020 at 4:07:00 PM

Also, it's not like Biden can set policy in a vacuum. Congress has to pass legislation to support most of what he might want to do, and as Barack Obama found out, it doesn't matter how progressive your agenda is if you can't get it past the House or Senate.

Obama is a good example of the foolishness of moderation. He sought repeatedly to make bridges with people who utterly despised him and would block any benefit to the American people except billionaires. He was at his most successful going over his opposition than trying to work with them.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 1st 2020 at 4:07:31 AM

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#325792: Sep 1st 2020 at 4:09:39 PM

Yeah, and Obama's premier legislative success: PPACA, cost him control of Congress. If he'd gone for something "more progressive", he might not have had the Democrat votes to pass it.

Governing is about compromise. If you refuse and hold out for everything you want, you get nothing... unless you are willing to corrupt the system like Trump.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 1st 2020 at 7:10:29 AM

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#325793: Sep 1st 2020 at 4:10:23 PM

[up][up][up][up] A Judas?

Edited by Redmess on Sep 1st 2020 at 1:10:43 PM

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#325794: Sep 1st 2020 at 4:16:03 PM

A Benedict Arnold? A Quisling?

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#325797: Sep 1st 2020 at 4:32:19 PM

So, tonight is the Markey-Kennedy primary in Massachusetts. That should be interesting, to say the least.
Here's hoping Markey wins just to spite Nancy Pelosi since she wants him to lose and put her voice out so he would.

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Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#325798: Sep 1st 2020 at 4:51:58 PM

While you're watching the primary, spare a few thoughts for the poll workers, since they still have to be staffed even when mail-in voting is the standard. My town's so low on poll workers that for the first time in ages they have to work the full 14-hour day.

ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#325799: Sep 1st 2020 at 5:23:41 PM

[up] You mean that isn't the norm to work 14 hours? That's how we have to do it down here in SC.

Edited by ScubaWolf on Sep 1st 2020 at 8:23:56 AM

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Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#325800: Sep 1st 2020 at 5:40:58 PM

Apparently! According to parents (one of whom often works the polls), there are usually two or even three shifts. We also have different polling places for most precincts, so my town has 10 precincts and 7 locations to staff. Maybe we just have more people willing to work the polls most of the time.


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