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Well, I don't know the politics of the poster above, but I believe Aszur is on the left side of the political spectrum, and I believe that is also true of yourself, and I do find it striking how leftist posters seem to be particularly convinced that Trump is unbeatable, and my suspicion is that this has a fair amount to do with their own antipathy towards Biden.
And I find ignoring the 2018 midterms and asserting that Centrists are a reliably Never Biden voting block to be a rather striking example.
Edited by Hodor2 on Aug 31st 2020 at 4:51:15 AM
In principle, all Democrats have to is maintain the narrative that this is Trump's America that is experiencing rioting, and that his ability to respond sucks.
Besides, Biden HAS called out the violence as well. Doesn't stop Trump from lying about it, but it's not like Biden is running as the anarchist BLM candidate.
I mean, I do think the Democrats could stand to focus more on building Biden up than tearing Trump down. Most people have probably formed a pretty strong opinion of Trump by this point, so there are limits to how much can gain by attacking him. The public opinion of Biden, however is more malleable, and there exist people who don't like Trump, but for some reason that's beyond me, don't consider 'he's not Trump' to be a good enough reason to vote for Biden.
Specifically, Biden's polling around 5% below Trump's disapproval rating. That's the 5% that they should be working on winning over, if you ask me.
Edited by Gilphon on Aug 31st 2020 at 5:58:23 AM
People thinking trump is unbeatable is a leftover of 2016 republican victory that make look he cant be defeat it, specially since all controversy around him turn into nothing, as the impenchment.
The same kinda happen with chavez in venezuela, the more victory he got, the more invisible he looks which in turn help him more because "why try?" a sort of snowball efect in general.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Depend of what you call lose, stuff like "grab them by the pussy", is statement and other should have sunk him already but it didnt, this create a efect he can said what he wants and he kept doing it.
In short, because he long ago cross the tyson zone it feel normal thing other politican suffer dosent afect him.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"John Oliver seems to think Biden will not bring radical change needed in light of Black Lives Matter protests:
This is mainly why I think that while Biden may be good enough to beat Trump, he may not be good enough to make the changes needed to society that will prevent another Trump from rising.
Hope shines brightest in the darkest times@Aszur - Well, I guess my question then is why do you think that the majority of the country is going to believe Trump's take on the protests even though polls suggest otherwise?
Also, I guess I just don't get why someone who I think objects to Biden and Democrats from a leftist perspective is apparently arguing that the problem is being too favorable towards BLM.
Edited by Hodor2 on Aug 31st 2020 at 5:19:51 AM
That is quite a cross to put on me.
I merely said the majority of voters are apathetic - and they are. Voter turnout over the year leans apathy. I never mentioned that the U.S populace will believe Trump or not, I merely said the majority will not vote for one party. I imply the minority that does decide the election is a mercurial lot at best and most likely an uninterested unaffected bunch.
But from there to me saying the vast majority of the U.S citizenry is going to side with Trump is an outrageous exageration. They never have.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesThis might be one of those logic puzzle "all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares" kind of things.
Because you stated that centrists and apathetic people would find law and order rhetoric appealing because they "are not affected by the whole racial riots, other than, you know. The oppression of having black people rioting and possibly even looting your workplace.
And then you said, "And the apathetic voters are the vast majority."
Which gave me the impression that you were asserting that you believe the majority opinion on protests is that that they involve, "The oppression of having black people rioting and possibly even looting your workplace."
Also, I really don't know what your thoughts are on this, but IMO, Biden is for better or worse kind of the ideal candidate for people who don't like Trump's racism and are but also don't like looting.
Edited by Hodor2 on Aug 31st 2020 at 5:45:31 AM
Decreasing voter turnout is a problem for democracies around the world. People generally seem to be complacent about their voting rights, and many only vote in major elections (that is, the national ones).
I don't know if it is apathy, exactly, it is probably more complicated than that.
Edited by Redmess on Aug 31st 2020 at 1:01:18 PM
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Yeah, if the vast majority of people are apathetic and the vast majority of apathetic people find law and order rhetoric convincing then it bears to logic that most of them would vote for Trump.
I don't know if you saw it, but Mark Murphy, the President and CEO of the Green Bay Packers, put out a video explicitly supporting BLM.
That's quite a turnaround when it was rumoured that Colin Kaepernick wanted to get a deposition from then Head Coach Mike McCarthy as evidence that he was blackballed from the league, especially when Aaron Rodgers broke his collarbone and Green Bay were in need of a QB.
Either way, it does now mean that Trump is on the opposite side of the fence about the issue to the Packers. Which is seldom a route to political success in Wisconsin.
That's another reason why you know Obama is an exceptional politician. He won Wisconsin despite being a Bears fan...
Then again, the Packers haven't been that successful when they weighed in on Wisconsin politics before. They supported the collective bargaining laws that Scott Walker trashed when he made Wisconsin a Right to Work state.
Conservatives live their lives under a strict set of rules and guidelines for how to be a proper adult, how to be a proper man/woman, how to have a proper sex life, how to be a proper civilian, how to properly respect your country, etc. etc. They may be hypocritical about these things, they may deviate here and there, but they're generally ashamed of those deviations and keep them to themselves.
Being a conservative, you know what the rules are and you know when you're breaking them. But even though you might break them in a moment of weakness here or there, you aren't actually trying to change the rules. Because they're the rules. The Absolute Laws of Man and God that are correct and proper, which must be aspired to even if sometimes you fuck up here and there.
They don't really understand liberals. Because liberals don't have moments of weakness. Liberals want to change the rules. Liberals are proudly deviant. Openly deviant. And to a conservative mind, that means the sky is the limit. If liberals don't believe in The Rules, then they must believe there are no rules. If they don't believe in The Rules, then they don't believe in Right and Wrong, and that makes them scary.
Conservative minds are very susceptible to right-wing fear-mongering because they can't really understand what a world outside their box would even look like. If you support gay marriage, then you must also support pedophilia and bestiality. That makes sense to them, because you're trying to tear down The Rules about proper marriage, which must mean that you believe that any and all marriages are acceptable with no limits. If you don't follow The Rules, then you must follow No Rules.
This makes law and order rhetoric appeal to them. They hear, "Our candidate believes in laws," and that might sound stupid. What's the alternative? Do they think liberals are pro-crime?
Yes. Yes, they do. Because liberals are deviants trying to tear down The Rules, so liberals must support crime. Liberals want to tear down the institution of police, so liberals must support gangs, drug cartels, and mobs. To a conservative, there is no nuance. There is the way the world works, and then there are those weird guys who disobey The Rules, and those guys are terrifying. Someone should probably do something about those guys.
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This is very similar to how orthodox Christians fail to understand atheists. To them, the rejection of God means a rejection of all morality, period. They don't understand how you can have any morality at all if it isn't handed down and divinely enforced by God.
This is likely also why religion tends to align itself with the political right.
Hope shines brightest in the darkest timesAll of which can be summed up as Black-and-White Insanity, the inability to see nuance, leads to those minds being exploited by those that seek to end or ruin the existence of minorities/out-groups or create hierarchies that would place them at the top and over said out-groups.
In other words, blind loyalty to Da Rules without knowledge or care as to why they are in place only serve to make them pawns of authority.
Edited by MorningStar1337 on Aug 31st 2020 at 4:57:20 AM
I figure, there's a good chance what kept me from stumbling into that same trap that has a hold on various family members was stumbling on some of that history behind all those "rules" when I was at the best age to draw the necessary conclusions. That and possessing what appears to be disproportionately high empathy compared to what my family developed.
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In general, the American white evangelicals allied with the Right are very much a product of an unholy alliance made fairly recently.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Catholicism in Latin American countries is often affiliated with the far left, although from what the South American tropers have mentioned in the past, Latin American leftism is plagued with its own set of Black-and-White Insanity issues, so perhaps the theory has even further credence.
No no.
Some members of the catholic church tend to be associated with the far left in Latin America, but they are rare, suppressed and actually their presence inspired the Documents of Santa Fe for the U.S to press evangelical protestants to "evangelize" the latin americas with an ideology that was the opposite of the pro-poor as means of idologically countering communism.
They literally sent the prosperity gospel just to counter the fact some catholic priests joined the local revolutionary forces and were community laders.
In the long run, stuff like that helps people like Bolsonaro win.
but by and large, the catholic church is very much conservative in latin america.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes

I don't think anyone here is saying no one likes Biden, though you can certainly argue about how many people are actually enthusiastic about him, rather than just finding him acceptable under the circumstances.
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