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#325501: Aug 30th 2020 at 4:34:28 PM

[up]Twitter is not an accurate measurement of real-world impact.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Aug 30th 2020 at 7:34:42 AM

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#325502: Aug 30th 2020 at 4:36:12 PM

Yeah... they have about ten thousand people watching on YouTube right now anyway. So maybe they really are irrelevant, who knows?

Edited by AngrokVa on Aug 30th 2020 at 7:36:46 AM

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#325503: Aug 30th 2020 at 4:36:56 PM

In a two party system like the US any third party is inherently irrelevant. And as said above, Twitter is not a politically relevant indicator of support.

I also note that Twitter Trending may also just be Twitter pushing something to generate interest to generate tweets, not actually "trending"

Edited by 3of4 on Aug 30th 2020 at 1:37:59 PM

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#325504: Aug 30th 2020 at 4:39:06 PM

If only the Democrats could be as progressive as them. But, no, Obama was right. It's best not to go "too far left" as he had put it.

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#325505: Aug 30th 2020 at 4:40:16 PM

Sadly, the public perception of the left is too unfavorable for it to be viable. The overton window needs to shift first.

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#325506: Aug 30th 2020 at 4:41:40 PM

Exactly how do we go about doing that, though?

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#325507: Aug 30th 2020 at 4:42:41 PM

Politics is about compromise, you'll always find someone who's wailing about "not being decisive" or "not being far left enough"

The art is finding the golden zone between compromise and progressive that gets you forward and in the position to actually implement it.

And then once you have done that, repeat that process once the progressive has become the status quo.

You don't get from A to B by just willing yourself really hard to B. You take steps toward it.

Edited by 3of4 on Aug 30th 2020 at 1:45:13 PM

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#325508: Aug 30th 2020 at 4:45:33 PM

First, of course, comes throwing our esteemed President out of office, so there's a chance of some actual progressive legislation being signed into law. That will also naturally require a majority in the Senate, and may also require the removal of the filibuster as well. Those are the major obstacles on behalf of the Republicans - after that, there's the question on how far the Democrats are willing to go.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Aug 30th 2020 at 7:45:46 AM

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#325509: Aug 30th 2020 at 4:47:04 PM

Understood.

...I have a confession to make.

I may side with the Democrats, or the progressives, or anybody on the left, really. But, to tell the truth, I don't know much about politics itself. I only know what I feel is the right path, the best path.

So... y'know, thanks for educating me on this.

Edited by AngrokVa on Aug 30th 2020 at 7:47:44 AM

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#325510: Aug 30th 2020 at 4:48:35 PM

[up]Then educate yourself. Voting is like Sex. Its better for all involved if you I. know what you are doing and II. are able to make a educated choice.

Also, I guess Safe, Sane and Consentual but those went out of the window in 2016.

Edited by 3of4 on Aug 30th 2020 at 1:49:21 PM

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#325511: Aug 30th 2020 at 4:51:13 PM

I know that trans rights are human rights. I know that the rich are too rich, and the poor are too poor. I know that people need a good education. I know that we need to be the United States, not the Divided States.

I know we need the best people we have to bring those changes.

Also, that's a great analogy there. [lol]

Edited by AngrokVa on Aug 30th 2020 at 7:52:23 AM

nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#325512: Aug 30th 2020 at 5:12:38 PM

I hear they're tackling a lot of issues better than the Democrats are right now.

Which issues, specifically, do you think they are handling better? To be honest, the People's Party's current roster is Nina Turner, Cornel West, Marianne Williamson, Jesse Ventura, and Mike Gravel, which makes me very skeptical of their effectiveness.

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#325513: Aug 30th 2020 at 5:25:49 PM

That collection of people tells me that its a combination of graft, and idealism overwhelming common sense.

Anyone who willingly associates with the likes of Williamson and Ventura has essentially discredited themselves.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Aug 30th 2020 at 9:26:08 AM

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#325514: Aug 30th 2020 at 5:31:09 PM

Which issues, specifically, do you think they are handling better? To be honest, the People's Party's current roster is Nina Turner, Cornel West, Marianne Williamson, Jesse Ventura, and Mike Gravel, which makes me very skeptical of their effectiveness.

Ok, fuck these people, for those unaware, she's an entirely unqualified hack who prefers to ramble rather than give straight forward answers who has also pushed anti-vaxxer nonsense and during the primary compared mandatory vaccinations to outlawing abortion.

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#325515: Aug 30th 2020 at 5:43:26 PM

[up]She was also in it largely to sell her books.

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#325516: Aug 30th 2020 at 5:46:49 PM

I'm also seeing Jesse Ventura in that lineup, who if memory serves, is a nutjob and the one behind that Conspiracy Theory show on TV.

Yeah, this is already a joke.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Aug 30th 2020 at 8:47:27 AM

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#325517: Aug 30th 2020 at 5:54:50 PM

Also a former Professional Wrestler and one time Governor of Minnesota somehow.

Man, how the fuck did that happen?

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Aug 30th 2020 at 9:55:16 AM

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#325518: Aug 30th 2020 at 6:18:57 PM

Williamson?

Oh FFS. I had hoped she'd stay out of politics after the primaries.

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#325519: Aug 30th 2020 at 6:27:23 PM

The US may be a two party system, but don't dismiss the chances of third parties entirely. Parties rise and fall, even in the US. A significant decline of one party can enable the rise of a new party in its place. It has happened before.

The Republican party has been in decline for decades, and only holds on to power through underhanded, undemocratic tactics. Once they really start to lose their grip on power, there will be an opportunity for a new party to replace them to the right of Democrats.

Alternatively, the Democratic party could split into a left-centre and a left party. The politics of the US certainly seem to be moving left, even if Republicans are resisting that movement.

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#325520: Aug 30th 2020 at 6:29:18 PM

[up]x3 You forget Ahnuld was Governor of California for years.

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#325521: Aug 30th 2020 at 6:30:08 PM

[up][up]You’re right that a third party could theoretically rise, though right now, the only existing party I can see doing that is the libertarian party, which would if it happens play out as the “replacement for a dead republican party” scenario.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Aug 30th 2020 at 9:30:19 AM

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#325522: Aug 30th 2020 at 6:33:39 PM

About Maher, I was not aware he is anti-muslim or an antivaxer.

He seems like a reluctant Democrat, someone who is left because the right is worse, but he certainly does not spare Democrats. And he is willing to talk to right wingers (even someone as extreme as Steve Bannon), even if his audience is openly hostile to them.

I kinda like his show, but I don't know, sometimes he addresses the audience, who he assumes is left, but talks about them in such a dismissive way that I don't really feel it is about me. He basically talks about liberals the same way conservatives do.

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#325523: Aug 30th 2020 at 6:39:16 PM

[up]Kinda, that is because he think the right are stupid people with deeply stupid belief and therefore aceptable targets, he was also part of the idea that awfull people should be talked and confronted rathar than deplataformer.

You can said is the political version of what happen to guys like joss wheedon and james cameron: they did stuft aht seen as progresive but refuse to move on and now just look jerkish.

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#325524: Aug 30th 2020 at 6:41:58 PM

Maher is a anti-theist and considers all Muslims to be....well, let's just say his rhetoric sounds very much like a 19th century colonists in terms of "those oriental backward people who we Western atheists are superior to."

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#325525: Aug 30th 2020 at 6:44:42 PM

Yeah, maher like dawkings,hitchens and others come from a kinda white-brotastic segment of white make atheist who were some political incorrect and enjoy mocking people that was very comon in bush presidency.

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