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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#325426: Aug 29th 2020 at 8:14:58 PM

Twitter has managed to step up to the bare minimum (or just beneath it) against Trump.

Anything but total loyalty to the Orange Furher is treason.

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FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#325427: Aug 29th 2020 at 8:18:11 PM

I can testify that it seems that Instagram (which is owned by Facebook) is rapidly becoming a favorite outlet for American liberals to be hosting and sharing "digital teach ins" with slideshows presenting condensed information about social justice topics.

Take @whydontwediscuss, which was 106,000 followers despite having only 43 slideshows.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#325428: Aug 29th 2020 at 8:29:55 PM

Isn't Facebook more popular with old people?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#325429: Aug 29th 2020 at 10:02:01 PM

Yep, Facebook is where all the fifty and older crowd hang out online.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#325430: Aug 29th 2020 at 10:33:35 PM

I would have laughed had you told me that 10 years ago...

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#325431: Aug 29th 2020 at 10:46:00 PM

The Kenosha police are arresting people who provide food to protestors.

I'm trying to get into the mindset that thinks this will help their position and am utterly failing.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#325432: Aug 29th 2020 at 10:48:41 PM

Arms of a fascist government can’t think complex thoughts.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#325433: Aug 29th 2020 at 10:56:24 PM

I recall way back it was said that the cops have more or less embraced their positions as the bad guys here, because people are going to think that anyway.

That they're the bad guys because they're doing bad things is the part that slips past them. That seems like a general issue with conservatives really - acting as if a complaint about them is unfounded but inevitable, and use that as an excuse to continue doing the behavior that got them called out in the first place.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#325434: Aug 29th 2020 at 11:33:06 PM

[up]Part of that is polarization: once they buy the dictonomy of republican=good dems=bad it eventually allow them to comit all thing because they cant see themselves as bad as it kill all process of self reflection.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#325435: Aug 29th 2020 at 11:49:12 PM

They become Tautological Templars. Whatever they do can't be bad because it's them doing it.

Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#325436: Aug 30th 2020 at 12:03:38 AM

Left wingers disagree on these forums all the time over many different things. I also know of several conservative tropers.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#325437: Aug 30th 2020 at 12:11:05 AM

[up]x6 From the statement I saw on the topic, it sounds like they were arrested under suspicion of being agitators of some kind, due to the fact that they had containers of gasoline and riot gear in their vehicle.

The spokesperson for their organization said that the gear was for protection while working at protests and the gasoline was to run their generators. Seems like it would be pretty easy to confirm.

Also worth noting that US Marshals were present on scene during the arrests.

Edited by archonspeaks on Aug 30th 2020 at 12:12:22 PM

They should have sent a poet.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#325438: Aug 30th 2020 at 1:04:20 AM

Yes, on these forums, there's some very die-hard strifes.

As mentioned, Bernie Sanders is a hot button. It was actually funny how surprised both sides of the argument were by the other's positions.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#325439: Aug 30th 2020 at 1:29:04 AM

sgamer: yeah, as someone who just past is tesis on that topic I can tell you there is a least three signs of polarization:

Maniquean narratives: good and evil, the parties and politcal actor become the the arbitraers of what is good behavor, for example is not a conservative party but THE stauncher defender of what is a good citizen, if a left party them it become they vanguard of worker and poor right all over the world, the point remains the sense: once you decide is you or bust, everyone else have to....well, bust.

Disregard for the process: when polarization set higher and higher, the process become more of a a tool to kept you in power or something bothersome to throw aside because they see themselves as the endgoal of democracy, or to put it in a better light: the republicant didnt chose party over country, they decide THE part is THE country, which is why they denied everything to obama in his last terms because as far they are concern, obama is everything wrong with the country.

Use and love of violence: with polarization violence become a thing for the party who engage it, usually in two variants: normalization of violence since the other side dosent really deserve anything as respect, at the same time violence is not normalize but also legitimize as requirement for future political actors, in a way to kept the spiral.

This things is why trump have such a loyal base, is not that half of the country are made of crazy cultist who will wither whatever storm trump bring on himself, is that he bring a constant state of polarization on them(which is why the rallies are necesary for him), that is why they see themselves as misunderstood while simultaniously relishing violence, as far they are concern, they are the ones pushing a nazi.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#325440: Aug 30th 2020 at 1:30:11 AM

Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, Barack Obama........

There are dozens of Democrats who are hotly debated around here.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#325441: Aug 30th 2020 at 4:54:31 AM

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/08/26/1007611/how-qanon-is-targeting-evangelicals/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

A fascinating article on how qanon is interacting with faith.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#325442: Aug 30th 2020 at 6:42:07 AM

So Chauvin's defense team is requesting the murder charges against him be dismissed, but the reasoning makes it sound like a prelude to his defense at trial.

Chauvin’s attorneys argued in court filings Friday that there is not sufficient probable cause to sustain charges of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.

“This motion is based upon the files and records in this case, the Minnesota Statutes, the Minnesota Rules of Criminal Procedure, the United States and Minnesota Constitutions and upon such other and further points and authorities as may subsequently be presented to the Court,” his attorneys wrote.

And simultaneously, the defense for one of the other officers involved is seeking to get George Floyd's arrest history introduced into evidence.

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#325445: Aug 30th 2020 at 7:31:48 AM

[up] That Yahoo one was 6 days ago, before the convention.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#325446: Aug 30th 2020 at 7:35:49 AM

That doesn't contradict their point about the averages, fixating on individual polls will always be a mistake.

Furthermore, convention bumps tend to be temporary. Clinton got a good bump after her convention and still lost.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 30th 2020 at 7:37:08 AM

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#325447: Aug 30th 2020 at 7:38:03 AM

538 also mentioned that they weren't going to adjust their model unless repeated polling about a week after showed a bump from the conventions to avoid flash in the pan moments that fizzle out and don't really affect the race.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#325448: Aug 30th 2020 at 7:40:45 AM

Even an average can be misleading, if most polls tend to skew one way rather than the other, the average will be either lower or higher than the actual number.

They don't call it lies, damned lies, and statistics for nothing.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#325449: Aug 30th 2020 at 7:48:46 AM

Even an average can be misleading, if most polls tend to skew one way rather than the other, the average will be either lower or higher than the actual number.

They don't call it lies, damned lies, and statistics for nothing.

Yes, but Five Thirty Eight tries to compensate for this. Anyway, it's still far better than looking at individual polls.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#325450: Aug 30th 2020 at 7:55:07 AM

Still, it does feel like there are a lot of polls that are saying he’s losing support. You can say “don’t take just one poll into account”, but people have been bringing up more than just one poll.

I’m hoping it’s just due to the RNC, and that things will turn around soon, but I don’t think it’s abnormal for people to worry.


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