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#325226: Aug 27th 2020 at 10:42:03 AM

The police were never on the side of democracy.

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#325227: Aug 27th 2020 at 10:44:30 AM

Yes, but this openly? I haven't seen that before.

Also, Trevor Noah is right, these guys aren't militia, they are a gang. This shooter was a minor, and shouldn't be in any form of military in the first place.

I hope Biden is going to crack down hard on this.

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#325228: Aug 27th 2020 at 11:05:05 AM

The police are never going to change. In fact, they'll probably just become even more murderous.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#325229: Aug 27th 2020 at 11:12:13 AM

"Yes, but this openly? I haven't seen that before."

That's only because you weren't alive during the Gilded Age.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#325230: Aug 27th 2020 at 11:24:01 AM

Turmoil consumes Chamber of Commerce as it backs Democrats – The traditionally conservative group is planning to endorse a number of House Democrats for reelection, sparking dissension among members

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/27/chamber-of-commerce-turmoil-402837

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#325231: Aug 27th 2020 at 12:09:11 PM

Apparently Kyle Rittenhouse may have been part of a group that requested deputization, which the Kenosha County Sheriff, David Beth, literally said "oh, hell no!" to, pointing out in the aftermath of Rittenhouse murdering two people that instead of an armed vigilante doing so, it would have been a deputized cop instead, and thus a liability to him personally, the County, and the State of Wisconsin.

And in infuriating news, Kenosha Police Chief Daniel Miskins engaged in Victim Blaming by saying that "I'm not gonna make a great deal of it but the point is -- the curfew's in place to protect. Had persons not been out involved in violation of that, perhaps the situation that unfolded would not have happened." Because that's the kind of rhetoric that the police should be espousing right now, right?

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#325232: Aug 27th 2020 at 12:18:25 PM

I mean, we just got done talking about how the police were and are on the side of the right-wing militias; what did you expect?

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#325233: Aug 27th 2020 at 12:43:52 PM

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I did point out that the County Sheriff, at least, was very much antagonistic towards the Right-Wing Militia Fanatic subtype.

Also, they finally released the police report, stating that a knife was on the driver's side floorboard of Blake's car - the problem is, I know a shitload of people that have knives on-hand for non-violent reasons, including my own brother. Possession of something =/= intent to use that something for aggressive purposes.

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Authorities on Wednesday released some of the first details surrounding the police shooting of Jacob Blake, which has since sparked nationwide outrage and days of unrest in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

The newly released information described the moments before Blake was shot seven times in the back and named the Kenosha police officer who shot him.

According to the Wisconsin Department of Justice, police were called to the 2800 block of 40th Street Sunday after a woman said her boyfriend "was present and was not supposed to be on the premises."

Officers arrived at the scene and attempted to arrest 29-year-old Blake, at one point using a Taser in an attempt to stop him, but that attempt was unsuccessful, the DOJ said.

"Mr. Blake walked around his vehicle, opened the driver’s side door, and leaned forward," a press release from the department read. "While holding onto Mr. Blake’s shirt, Officer Rusten Sheskey fired his service weapon 7 times. Officer Sheskey fired the weapon into Mr. Blake’s back. No other officer fired their weapon."

Authorities noted that the Kenosha Police Department does not have body cameras, "therefore the officers were not wearing body cameras."

According to the release, Blake admitted to investigators that he did have a knife at the time and a knife was recovered from the driver's side floorboard of his vehicle. No other weapons were found, the report said.

The officers "immediately provided medical aid," the DOJ said, and Blake was taken to Froedtert Hospital in Milwaukee, where he remains.

Edited by ironballs16 on Aug 27th 2020 at 3:58:37 PM

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#325234: Aug 27th 2020 at 1:01:33 PM

Almost everyone I work with keeps a knife on them. I keep a knife on me. It's for cutting zipties and tape off boxes.

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#325235: Aug 27th 2020 at 1:03:35 PM

I still don’t know how a taser apparently failed.

How do you fuck up a taser?

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#325236: Aug 27th 2020 at 1:10:08 PM

Poor maintenance of equipment or its cheaply made

There's a lot of ways a taser can fail

Edited by Ultimatum on Aug 27th 2020 at 8:10:20 AM

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#325237: Aug 27th 2020 at 1:17:27 PM

Also, it doesn't matter if he had a knife in the car when you only find out that afterwards. "Shoot first ask questions later" is not correct operating procedure.

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#325238: Aug 27th 2020 at 1:27:33 PM

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The article mentions that Blaek had mentioned the knife - which backfired in the same way that Philando Castile mentioning his CCW permit backfired.

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There's also the possibility that neither tether hooks into the person, which tends to happen if they're wearing baggy clothing

Edited by ironballs16 on Aug 27th 2020 at 4:29:53 AM

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Voltron64 Since: Jul, 2016
#325239: Aug 27th 2020 at 1:42:22 PM

This just might end with police across America being shot up by the National Guard, I know it could.

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#325240: Aug 27th 2020 at 1:44:09 PM

in what crazy situation would the national guard turn on the police force?

(they're on the same side practically!)

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#325241: Aug 27th 2020 at 2:17:28 PM

That is not remotely within the realm of possibility.

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#325242: Aug 27th 2020 at 2:31:50 PM

Tasers aren’t nearly as effective as they’re made out to be. They’ve got about a 60-70% success rate average across the US.

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#325243: Aug 27th 2020 at 2:42:43 PM

Is this just an effect of the RNC happening now, or could it be a long-term trend that will continue right up to the election?

The change in odds seems to be driven mostly by a single Rasmussen poll; Rasmussen has had a fairly noticeable lean towards Trump compared to the other pollsters this cycle.

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#325244: Aug 27th 2020 at 3:04:31 PM

In short: Garbage In, Garbage Out.

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#325245: Aug 27th 2020 at 3:07:52 PM

Rasmussen is always noticeably biased towards Republicans in its polling isn't it? I remember that being a thing brought up basically ever election.

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#325246: Aug 27th 2020 at 3:16:46 PM

Rasmussen's poll numbers consistently bias towards Republicans by about 2 or 3 points, yes.

EDIT: I was a bit too high on the lean — FiveThirtyEight found a 1.5-pt bias. They do only have them as a C+ pollster, though.

Edited by megarockman on Aug 27th 2020 at 6:19:41 AM

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#325247: Aug 27th 2020 at 3:27:32 PM

Rasmussen is always noticeably biased towards Republicans in its polling isn't it? I remember that being a thing brought up basically ever election.

Correct, it has a well-established pattern of questionably generous polls.

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#325248: Aug 27th 2020 at 3:33:05 PM

[up][up] Are you saying your estimate should have been more... conservative. grin

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#325249: Aug 27th 2020 at 3:34:23 PM

a fiscally conservative estimate you might say

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#325250: Aug 27th 2020 at 4:08:52 PM

in what crazy situation would the national guard turn on the police force?

One where a governor orders the guard to stop violence and explicitly tells them that if police are starting violence then the guard are to arrest the police.

Or where a police force goes completely rogue and attacks not only civilians but politicians who are important enough that they have armed protection in the force of national guardsmen.

I am not ruling out the possibility of a police force attempting to murder politicians pushing police reforms. We know that US forces are willing to send other police to die if said other police oppose police brutality, the NYPD Union may have already blackmailed the mayor, it’s not a big step.

Edited by Silasw on Aug 27th 2020 at 11:09:31 AM

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