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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#324901: Aug 24th 2020 at 4:26:14 PM

Woot! Page-topper for today's What the Fuck Just Happened Today:

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2020/08/24/day-1313/

Day 1313: "I am not engaged in sabotaging the election."

    😷 Dept. of “We Have It Totally Under Control.” 
Global: Total confirmed cases: ~23,529,000; deaths: ~811,000

U.S.: Total confirmed cases: ~5,735,000; deaths: ~178,000

Source: Johns Hopkins University

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Live blogs: CNN / New York Times / Washington Post)

🐘 RNC convention live blogs: Washington Post / New York Times / NBC News / CNBC

🗳 How To Vote In The 2020 Election In Every State. Everything you need to know about mail-in and early in-person voting in every state in the age of COVID-19, including the first day you can cast your ballot in the 2020 election. (FiveThirtyEight / NBC News / Wall Street Journal)

    Main Stories 
1/ The New York Attorney General’s Office is investigating whether the Trump Organization and Trump inflated his assets in financial documents to secure loans and get tax benefits. In court filings, Letitia James’ office also asked the court to order Eric Trump to provide testimony after he initially agreed to sit for a deposition on July 22, but then abruptly canceled. “For months, the Trump Organization has made baseless claims in an effort to shield evidence from a lawful investigation into its financial dealings,” James said. “They have stalled, withheld documents, and instructed witnesses, including Eric Trump, to refuse to answer questions under oath.” The state’s top prosecutor opened the investigation in March 2019 after Michael Cohen told Congress that Trump had inflated his assets in financial statements to secure loans and had understated them to reduce his real estate taxes. The Manhattan district attorney’s office has also recently suggested in court filings that it is investigating possible bank and insurance fraud by Trump and the Trump Organization.(Washington Post / Bloomberg / New York Times / Wall Street Journal / CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/politics/new-york-eric-trump/index.html

The Manhattan district attorney’s office agreed to delay enforcing a subpoena for Trump’s financial records until after a federal appeals court has ruled on Trump’s request for a stay pending appeal of his lawsuit. (CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/politics/vance-trump-taxes-subpoena/index.html

2/ Postmaster General Louis DeJoy denied that the policies he’s implemented have led to the current mail delays and insisted that the changes, including the removal of blue collection boxes and mail sorting machines, had preceded him assuming office June 15. In a contentious hearing before the House Committee on Oversight and Reform, DeJoy testified that the cost-cutting measures he put in place were an attempt to have USPS trucks run on schedule, and pushed back against suggestions that the changes were intended to influence the 2020 election by making mail-in voting less reliable. “I am not engaged in sabotaging the election,” DeJoy told the committee, calling the claims “misleading.” As DeJoy testified, Trump tweeted his baseless accusations that mail-in voting would be used to rig the November election against him. DeJoy also refused to agree to restore the mail-sorting machines that had been removed from use, but acknowledged that a “deterioration in service” had occurred. Democrats, meanwhile, threatened to subpoena DeJoy for deliberately withholding internal decision-making documents. Robert Duncan, chairman of the Postal Service Board of Governors, also testified. (CNN / Washington Post / NBC News / Politico / New York Times / Bloomberg / Reuters / Wall Street Journal / ABC News / CNN)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-post-office-idUSKBN25K1UT

The House passed a $25 billion bill for emergency U.S. Postal Service funding. The bill would also reverse recent cost-cutting operational changes that have slowed mail service around the country. The measure isn’t expected to reach Trump’s desk as the Republican-held Senate is unlikely to vote on it. (Axios / CNN / NBC News / The Hill / Washington Post)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/22/politics/postal-service-house-vote-funding/index.html

Homeland Security’s acting chief said the department does not have the authority to send agents to polling locations despite Trump’s pledge to send “law enforcement” to polling locations to guard against the threat of voter fraud on Election Day. Chad Wolf said: “This is not a mission for the Department of Homeland Security.” (CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/23/politics/chad-wolf-polling-centers-election-cnntv/index.html

3/ Twitter flagged Trump’s tweet that mail drop boxes are a “voter security disaster” and “not Covid sanitized,” labeling it a “misleading health claim that could potentially dissuade people from participation in voting.” The tweet violated the company’s Civic Integrity Policy and restricted other users from sharing, liking or replying to the tweet. The tweet, however, was allowed to “remain on the service given its relevance to ongoing public conversation.” (Axios / New York Times / NBC News / Bloomberg)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/twitter-slaps-warning-label-trump-tweet-violating-election-integrity-rules-n1237803

4/ Trump, without evidence, accused the FDA of deliberately delaying coronavirus vaccine trials until after the election, tweeting that “The deep state, or whoever, over at the FDA is making it very difficult for drug companies to get people in order to test the vaccines and therapeutics.” Dr. Stephen Hahn, who Trump picked last year to head the agency, said earlier this month that the agency “will not cut corners” to approve a vaccine. Five days earlier, White House trade adviser Peter Navarro privately accused the FDA of being part of the “Deep State” during a meeting that was supposed to be about COVID-19 and the Strategic National Stockpile. (CNN / Axios)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/22/politics/trump-fda-coronavirus-vaccine/index.html

5/ The FDA issued an emergency use authorization for blood plasma as a treatment for COVID-19 – one day after Trump accused the agency of moving too slowly. Last week, the FDA declined to back the treatment over concerns from government scientists that there wasn’t enough evidence for the treatment’s effectiveness. Several clinical trials are examining the use of convalescent plasma for COVID-19, but none have been completed and results aren’t expected for at least several more weeks. Trump, however, claimed that convalescent plasma is a “powerful therapy” that the FDA found “safe and very effective,” saying it “had an incredible rate of success.” The FDA, however, said a more rigorous study is needed to prove whether the treatment effective. (Politico / Washington Post / NBC News / CNN / Bloomberg / Bloomberg / New York Times / New York Times)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/23/health/covid-19-convalescent-plasma-eua-white-house/index.html

Scientists and FDA officials warned that more rigorous study is needed to prove whether convalescent plasma is an effective treatment for patients hospitalized with COVID-19. Experts say the therapy hasn’t been adequately tested. Britain’s public health system, the National Health Service, meanwhile, said that although U.S. studies into the use of the use of blood plasma were “promising,” they were “not conclusive,” and more studies need to be performed. White House trade adviser Peter Navarro, meanwhile, exaggerated the efficacy of blood plasma as a coronavirus treatment, urging Americans to disregard any skepticism of the controversial therapy. (CNBC / Washington Post / Politico)

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/24/scientists-doubt-convalescent-plasma-touted-by-trump-is-a-breakthrough-coronavirus-treatment.html

The Trump administration is reportedly considering fast tracking an experimental coronavirus vaccine developed in the U.K. for use in the United States. One option being considered would involve the FDA awarding emergency use authorization in October to a vaccine being developed in a partnership between AstraZeneca and Oxford University. AstraZeneca said it hasn’t talked to the U.S. government about an emergency use authorization, and a spokesperson for Health and Human Services said any claim of an emergency authorization for a vaccine before the election is “absolutely false.” A top FDA official, meanwhile, threatened to resign if the Trump administration approved a vaccine before it is shown to be safe and effective. (Financial Times / CNBC / Politico / Reuters)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-fda-exclu/exclusive-top-fda-official-says-would-resign-if-agency-rubber-stamps-an-unproven-covid-19-vaccine-idUSKBN25H03H

poll/ 57% of Republicans consider the more than 177,000 coronavirus deaths in the U.S. “acceptable.” 90% of Democrats and 67% percent of independents said the number of deaths was unacceptable. 73% of Republicans say things are “going well” when it comes to the way the U.S. has handled the pandemic. 75% of Republicans say the country is better off today than it was four years ago. (CBS News)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republicans-economy-coronavirus-opinion-poll-cbs-news-battleground-tracker/

poll/ 31% of Americans approve of Trump’s leadership during the coronavirus pandemic – down from 44% approval in March. (Associated Press)

https://apnews.com/a464966595a326a6b2e4c6f9888f7d8c

    ✏️ Notables. 
Trump accepted his official nomination for a second term with a speech complaining about voting by mail while accusing Democrats of “using COVID to steal the election.” As the Republican National Convention got underway in Charlotte, N.C., Trump used a surprise speech at the convention not to preview a second term agenda, but to allege, without evidence, that Democratic-run states might mail ballots only to neighborhoods where members of their own party live. Trump also repeated his unfounded allegations that Obama and Biden had spied on his campaign in 2016, saying “They’re trying to steal the election from Republicans. Just like they did it last time, with spying.” (Washington Post / New York Times / Bloomberg / Wall Street Journal / NBC News)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/rnc-meets-charlotte-officially-nominate-trump-n1237835

Trump will speak every night of the Republican National Convention this week. Typically, nominees only speak on the last night of the convention. Trump, however, will deliver his formal acceptance speech from a stage on the South Lawn at the White House. All of Trump’s adult children, including Tiffany, will also speak during the convention. The convention begins tonight at 9 p.m. Eastern. (Axios / New York Times)

https://www.axios.com/republican-convention-trump-show-37b8db5a-8e7b-483f-9ed6-55a8268d880f.html

Kellyanne Conway will leave the Trump administration at the end of the month. Conway, whose title is counselor to the president, is one of Trump’s longest-serving aides. She was Trump’s third campaign manager in 2016 and the first woman to successfully manage a presidential bid to victory. She says she is leaving the White House to focus on her family. A White House official said Conway met with Trump on Sunday night to let him know she would be leaving. “This is completely my choice and my voice,” she said in a statement. “In time, I will announce future plans. For now, and for my beloved children, it will be less drama, more mama.” (Washington Post / Politico / NPR / CNN / New York Times / USA Today / NBC News / Wall Street Journal / Bloomberg)

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/24/905351568/kellyanne-conway-to-leave-white-house-job-citing-family-concerns

Trump’s sister criticized him for his “lack of preparation” and lying, saying “you can’t trust him” because he “has no principles.” In secretly recorded audio between 2018 and 2019, Maryanne Trump Barry, a retired federal judge, talked candidly to Trump’s niece, Mary Trump, about her relationship with her brother. “All he wants to do is appeal to his base,” Barry said. “He has no principles. None. None. And his base, I mean my God, if you were a religious person, you want to help people. Not do this.” She also criticized Trump’s use of Twitter, saying “His goddamned tweet and lying, oh my God. I’m talking too freely, but you know. The change of stories. The lack of preparation. The lying. Holy shit.” Trump addressed the recording in a statement: “Every day it’s something else, who cares. I miss my brother, and I’ll continue to work hard for the American people. Not everyone agrees, but the results are obvious. Our country will soon be stronger than ever before.” (Washington Post / CBS News / New York Times / Yahoo News / Politico / Washington Post)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/maryanne-trump-barry-president-sister-no-principles-secretly-recorded-audio/

Melania Trump’s friend and adviser reportedly secretly taped the first lady making disparaging remarks about Trump and his adult children. (Yashar Ali)

https://yashar.substack.com/p/scoop-melania-trumps-comments-about

White House chief of staff Mark Meadows claimed that Trump doesn’t know much about QAnon because there are more important things to focus on. Last week Trump praised supporters of the QAnon internet conspiracy theory because he heard “they like me very much, which I appreciate.” The FBI has labeled QAnon a potential domestic terrorist threat. (Politico)

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/23/mark-meadows-trump-qanon-400249?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014e-f0fe-dd93-ad7f-f8ff7e290000&nlid=630318

Trump reportedly directed Homeland Security officials to get their orders by watching Fox Business host Lou Dobbs “every night.” Former DHS chief of staff Miles Taylor was basically the “shadow chief of staff” for the department and the Trump “would call us and […] he would say, ‘Why the hell didn’t you watch Lou Dobbs last night? You need to listen to Lou. What Lou says is what I want to do.’” (HuffPost)

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/miles-taylor-trump-lou-dobbs-fox-marching-orders-homeland-security_n_5f4066aec5b697824f98b023

Attorney General William Barr told Rupert Murdoch to “muzzle” a Fox News personality who was critical of Trump. In an October 2019 column, Napolitano wrote “The criminal behavior to which Trump has admitted is much more grave than anything alleged or unearthed by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, and much of what Mueller revealed was impeachable.” Trump reportedly “was so incensed by [Napolitano’s] TV broadcasts that he had implored Barr to send Rupert a message in person […] about ‘muzzling the judge.’” (The Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/22/william-barr-rupert-murdoch-muzzle-andrew-napolitano-fox-news-trump-critic-book

Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 24th 2020 at 4:27:06 AM

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#324902: Aug 24th 2020 at 4:32:28 PM

China would close its embassy if the US recognized Taiwan independence,

Doing so would likely destroy the Chinese economy (and seriously harm the US one). While the PRC might be willing to endure large scale destruction rather than face US bases in Taiwan, it’s not clear that it would being willing to suffer so much simply try and punish the US for recognising the reality on the ground.

Edited by Silasw on Aug 24th 2020 at 11:32:43 AM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#324903: Aug 24th 2020 at 4:33:01 PM

What do you mean by fuck climate change? That effects the entire world, if the climate goes to shit we're all fucked. Might be a bit of a slow burn thing (could take a couple of decades), but there's no way disregarding ends well. Do you mean China doesn't care?

I'm saying that climate change can't be an excuse to commit acts of evil because then it invalidates the very purpose of solving it, to make a better world for the future.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 24th 2020 at 4:36:36 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#324904: Aug 24th 2020 at 4:36:13 PM

[up][up]I don't think Xi's image and the CCP's actions to now regarding Taiwan like the Anti-Secession Law would allow him to do anything less even if he wanted to.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#324905: Aug 24th 2020 at 4:38:15 PM

[up][up] I'm cynical enough I can't imagine humanity going down to Honor Before Reason.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#324906: Aug 24th 2020 at 4:38:17 PM

[up]

Honestly, there's no good answer because a dictator will only make things worse and will take more than give. The only way out of this situation is for Xi to eventually fall, resign, or be replaced.

I'm cynical enough I can't imagine humanity going down to Honor Before Reason.

I believe that it is far more likely to go down for stupidity, greed, and short sightedness before Honor and ALSO Pragmatic Villainy. We should not blink first if China believes we'll abandon our allies and is willing to test us.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 24th 2020 at 4:39:41 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#324907: Aug 24th 2020 at 4:41:40 PM

Mind you, I believe Xi could invade Tawain tomorrow and I believe Trump would say, "Eh."

Doubly so if they promised to support him in the election.

I'm not even kidding.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#324908: Aug 24th 2020 at 4:43:48 PM

I can definitely see that reasoning, it is useless if you don't want a better tomorrow.

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GoosefromWikipedia (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
#324909: Aug 24th 2020 at 5:04:00 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up][up] This makes me wish that Donald Trump won't be elected again.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#324910: Aug 24th 2020 at 5:37:07 PM

I’m gonna dispute the “no gain” there. You may judge the gain from Taiwan getting a place in the world to be minimal, but it’s still something, if nothing else it’s something pretty significant for the people of Taiwan.

I do get your concerns, it’s not unrealistic that the US recognises Taiwan, the PRC throws a shit fit and bans Chinese companies cooperating with the US, the US retaliates by banning US companies cooperating with China, everyone gets so caught up in the moment that they don’t bother putting in an exception for sharing renewables technology.

But that’s a bridge I’m okay crossing when we come to it. We can take up that fight when/if the US government start limiting cooperation with Chinese companies, at that point I’ll be totally with you on demanding an exception allowing technology sharing for technologies that combat climate change.

This is fair, I think it's the wrong choice but as you say we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Honestly, there's no good answer because a dictator will only make things worse and will take more than give. The only way out of this situation is for Xi to eventually fall, resign, or be replaced.

This is a highly destructive and misguided mindset, dictators are not magically distinct from the pressures and interests that other leaders face. They want to maintain power and are driven by ideology, both can be worked with for productive ends.

Acting as if we must "wait for Xi to fail, resign, or be replaced" is insane, there is no reason to believe that he is going to stop ruling China anytime soon and when he does stop then he'll just get replaced. This position is unsustainable and disconnected from how autocrats actually behave.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 24th 2020 at 5:37:52 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#324911: Aug 24th 2020 at 5:38:23 PM

Yeah, like isn't there any number of potential CCP strongmen to replace Xi if anything happens to him? At that point you are just hoping that the authoritarian rule of the CCP falls apart someday which may not happen anytime soon.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Aug 24th 2020 at 8:38:57 AM

nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#324912: Aug 24th 2020 at 5:40:38 PM

[up][up][up] We typically don't use arrows more than four or five posts back, because it's hard to count back. It's better to quote the post directly.


RNC condemns Southern Poverty Law Center as "a far-left organization with an obvious bias"

"The SPLC is a radical organization, and that the federal government should not view this organization as a legitimate foundation equipped to provide actionable information to DHS or any other government agency," said the resolution, which challenged the legitimacy of the organization to identify hate groups. The resolution claimed that it "puts conservative groups or voices at risk of attack."

Edited by nova92 on Aug 26th 2020 at 1:37:00 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#324913: Aug 24th 2020 at 5:41:19 PM

Yeah, like isn't there any number of potential CCP strongmen to replace Xi if anything happens to him? At that point you are just hoping that the authoritarian rule of the CCP falls apart someday which may not happen anytime soon.

Indeed. And refusing to talk to people doesn't solve anything, if we aren't able or willing to destroy a despot then we must make deals with them. And I hope no one would advocate destroying the PRC, considering the intrinsic cost.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 24th 2020 at 5:41:43 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#324914: Aug 24th 2020 at 6:18:17 PM

The RNC has started, in case anyone is interested. I'm going to be petty and not contribute to their ratings.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#324915: Aug 24th 2020 at 6:19:55 PM

538 are doing a live blog, so I’m getting any updates via that.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#324916: Aug 24th 2020 at 6:32:23 PM

I'm watching the RNC, it's a massive joke.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#324917: Aug 24th 2020 at 6:41:54 PM

Officially recognizing Taiwan obstructs cooperation for no gain.

As Silasw mentioned, there's gain for the people of Taiwan. Besides, this really shouldn't be enough of a dealbreaker to keep the CCP from cooperating with handling climate change. After all, they're getting screwed by it too - just look at the flooding that's happening in mainland China right now.

Edited by M84 on Aug 24th 2020 at 9:44:13 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#324918: Aug 24th 2020 at 6:42:50 PM

[up][up]why do that to yourself

i'm tired, my friend
nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#324919: Aug 24th 2020 at 6:57:51 PM

NPR is also doing live updates here.

Edited by nova92 on Aug 24th 2020 at 6:58:00 AM

Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#324920: Aug 24th 2020 at 7:25:31 PM

So is chanting "12 more years!" commonplace?

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#324921: Aug 24th 2020 at 7:45:10 PM

It is when the Dear Leader goads his followers to indulge his ego and their base desires.

I predicted this would happen the second they confirmed there would be people physically present. Of course they wouldn't settle for the usual chant, not when they can troll the libs so incredibly easily. But don't worry, they're just doing it "ironically."

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#324922: Aug 24th 2020 at 7:48:48 PM

@M84: Depends on how petty/ how much leverage they think they have.

I'm sure if they feel that they could they would bring all possible economic pressure to bear in order to get what they want, hell even if they risked heavy damage to the economic I'm sure there are many, including Xi himself who will bet on the Chinese population being more "resilient" to economic slow down then the American economy.

There would probably be a lot of saber rattling too, but I doubt any one in the CCP would bet that the PLAN could take the USN with it escalating to a nuclear conflict.

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare
#324923: Aug 24th 2020 at 7:56:00 PM

Even if Biden wins, Trump is still President for the next three months.

China starting a war over Taiwan even with America politically torn in that time would honestly just be giving Trump a perfect last opportunity to end his presidency as a defender of a progressive Asian democracy with universal healthcare and gay marriage that the Democrats historically aren't willing to commit themselves to defending.

Xi and his generals really ''shouldn't" be that stupid.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#324924: Aug 24th 2020 at 8:04:25 PM

Unless someone tells him Tsai is like Hillary Clinton, in which case he'll lose interest and drop the matter like he did with Venezuela.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#324925: Aug 24th 2020 at 8:24:44 PM

I don't trust any Trump promise to defend democracy in foreign countries.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

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