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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#324651: Aug 21st 2020 at 10:42:11 AM

Rose believes Tara Read and understandably won't get behind a man she believes to be evil, no matter the cost. Given her own past history, I don't blame her in the slightest.

It was a long hard road for me to believing in Joe's innocence. But I do.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 21st 2020 at 10:42:38 AM

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#324652: Aug 21st 2020 at 10:43:55 AM

Ultimately, Budget is Congress's decision. The hard issue is not going to be Biden on that but if the GOP holds onto the Senate....

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#324653: Aug 21st 2020 at 10:44:14 AM

Rose believes Tara Read and understandably won't get behind a man she believes to be evil, no matter the cost. Given her own past history, I don't blame her in the slightest.

It was a long hard road for me to believing in Joe's innocence. But I do.

I might have a certain amount of sympathy, though still disagreeing, if it was just that. My issue is that arguing that Democrats have never done anything good is pretty offensive to the people they've benefited.

For example, me. I had a serious medical condition that required multiple surgeries, without Obama's ACA my situation would be far worse. Obviously I don't begrudge people the right to criticize either Obama or the ACA, but going as far as to say they did nothing good pretty much says that the people helped such as myself don't matter. And that's hardly something I'm fond of to say the least tongue

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 21st 2020 at 10:44:31 AM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#324654: Aug 21st 2020 at 10:48:41 AM

@3, that's very true. I don't see Biden being some sort of conservative barrier in the face of a progressive Congress.

And FWIW, Biden winning and the Dems not at least breaking even in the Senate (50-50) is an unlikely scenario.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#324655: Aug 21st 2020 at 10:51:54 AM

The veto gives Presidents very real influence on the legislative process, coupled with their role as party leader they have significant defacto power. That's why during the primaries candidates talk about the platforms they support even though it logically includes things that is technically within the responsibilities of Congress.

The good a Biden administration could do if it follows debt-hawk orthodoxy is infinitely less then what an actual sane Biden administration could do.

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#324656: Aug 21st 2020 at 10:56:09 AM

I frankly doubt Biden would veto a Budget proposed by a Democratic Congress because of Deficit Hawk tendencies.

But eh, one comment by an Advisor makes no policy, lets wait and see.

Edited by 3of4 on Aug 21st 2020 at 7:56:37 PM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#324657: Aug 21st 2020 at 11:00:14 AM

Once again, a significant advisor that Biden chose to craft policies and recommend decisions. And let me remind you that Biden has a long history of advocating for debt-hawkery.

With all due respect, I think you're being far too flippant about this.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#324658: Aug 21st 2020 at 11:05:18 AM

Biden's rapid response director basically said disregard what Kaufman said. That they're not going to limit spending and any deficit worries will be sorted out by reversing Trump's tax giveaways.

ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#324659: Aug 21st 2020 at 11:05:20 AM

[up][up] The problem here is like with most politicians, we have no real clue what they'll do as president, since they'll say one thing and do another. There's no point in doomsaying at this particular moment because he's not president yet.

Edited by ScubaWolf on Aug 21st 2020 at 2:05:45 PM

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#324660: Aug 21st 2020 at 11:08:26 AM

[up][up]you just linked to the twitter home page.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#324661: Aug 21st 2020 at 11:09:33 AM

[up][up]That's not what doomsaying means, "their advisor said this and it's super troubling" is just paying attention to what a campaign is saying.

When a person has a history of doing something, his advisors are saying that he'll do it then it's perfectly reasonable to take the possibility that he'll do it seriously.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 21st 2020 at 11:10:50 AM

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#324662: Aug 21st 2020 at 11:11:00 AM

like with most politicians, we have no real clue what they'll do as president, since they'll say one thing and do another

Except that’s not true. Politicians lie about a lot of things, but they do genuinely try and keep their campaign promises (the actual specific ones that is).

The “all politicians are liars” bit of ‘common knowledge’ is a major factor is why we have Trump.

Edited by Silasw on Aug 21st 2020 at 6:12:22 PM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#324664: Aug 21st 2020 at 11:21:12 AM

Ok, that's comforting. It doesn't eliminate my concerns entirely but they have been decently ameliorated.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#324665: Aug 21st 2020 at 11:21:48 AM

The link [up][up] is a tweet that reads

Andrew Bates, Biden campaign rapid response director, gave me the following statement regarding Ted Kaufman's comments in the Wall Street Journal that Biden would be "limited" in his fiscal actions in 2021 because of the budget deficit: https://t.co/7ojxv1cmeb
with it is a picture that has the statement itself:

As Joe Biden has said repeatedly in underscoring the enormity of this crisis and outlining his bold strategy for unprecedented investments in American competitiveness and our middle class, there will of course be stimulus spending in the short term to repair the historic damage Donald Trump has done to our economy and build back better. In the long run Biden would ensure the ongoing costs of his agenda are paid for by having the wealthiest taxpayers and big corporations pay their fair share for the future of our country, which is consistent with what Senator Kaufman said.

Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 21st 2020 at 11:28:05 AM

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#324666: Aug 21st 2020 at 11:23:28 AM

[up][up][up][up] Yeah, people spent centuries talking about how politicians are all dishonest liars and then are surprised when a dishonest liar gets into power.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Aug 21st 2020 at 8:23:37 PM

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#324667: Aug 21st 2020 at 11:25:06 AM

It kinda reads as an excuse to not care, since "they're all terrible anyway". Which is self-defeating when you consider that unless you're very well-off, the policies they enact are going to affect you one way or another. Might as well try and have a say.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#324668: Aug 21st 2020 at 11:25:11 AM

[up][up][up] Thank you. I'm not good with this when I'm on my phone.

Edited by Parable on Aug 21st 2020 at 11:25:24 AM

ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#324669: Aug 21st 2020 at 11:34:57 AM

Except that’s not true. Politicians lie about a lot of things, but they do genuinely try and keep their campaign promises (the actual specific ones that is).

The “all politicians are liars” bit of ‘common knowledge’ is a major factor is why we have Trump.

I'm not saying all politicians are liars, I'm saying it's more that situations come up that can change things on what they want to do. They could be completely for something but then find out its not feasible, and thus don't do it or go the complete opposite direction.

Edited by ScubaWolf on Aug 21st 2020 at 2:35:47 PM

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A procrastination in of itself
#324670: Aug 21st 2020 at 12:09:02 PM

Sure and the point I’m making is that by and large they don’t. This isn’t something we have to trust our gut on, people have actually run the numbers on the best way to guess in advance what an elected officials will do when they win, their campaign promises are a good metric for that, a much better one than looking at what they’ve done/supported in the past.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#324671: Aug 21st 2020 at 12:15:20 PM

I'd have more sympathy for Mc Gowan's views on Biden if she wasn't an ardent Trump supporter.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#324672: Aug 21st 2020 at 12:16:02 PM

(Citatio) From same, What Went Down On The Final Night Of The DNC

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#324673: Aug 21st 2020 at 12:18:14 PM

Sure and the point I’m making is that by and large they don’t. This isn’t something we have to trust our gut on, people have actually run the numbers on the best way to guess in advance what an elected officials will do when they win, their campaign promises are a good metric for that, a much better one than looking at what they’ve done/supported in the past.

Indeed, but when people say things that mirror the politician's past then that becomes a cause for concern.

I'd have more sympathy for Mc Gowan's views on Biden if she wasn't an ardent Trump supporter.

Wow.

Fuck her then.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#324674: Aug 21st 2020 at 12:19:09 PM

Any news from the hearing with DeJoy?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#324675: Aug 21st 2020 at 12:39:35 PM

I looked at https://currentstatus.io/ but didn't see anything that seemed directly related to DeJoy's hearing.


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