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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
At the risk of having that fight all over again, Clinton's loss came from a wide variety of sources, among which was Never Hillary types among Sanders supporters. This is not arguable. What is arguable is the contribution of each of those factors, and whether she "would have won" had any specific one been removed, which is a little disingenuous.
Edited by Fighteer on Aug 20th 2020 at 3:58:04 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"At the risk of re-litigating 2016... I agree
The problem in my mind is when people blame Sanders supporters as a whole because of the actions of a minority. A minority whom many of which weren't even voting for Sanders but rather just hated Clinton (Sanders-Trump voters).
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangSo apparently Bannon was arrested by USPS Postal Inspectors?
This is kinda hilarious.
Edited by 3of4 on Aug 20th 2020 at 10:45:14 AM
"You can reply to this Message!"Yeah apparently the Southern District of New York (the one Barr and Trump recently tried to put a flunky in charge of) didn’t involve the FBI in the investigation, instead using the postal inspectors.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranThe USPS has a law enforcement arm, which has jurisdiction over crimes involving the postal system. Most commonly (and most relevant to Bannon), these are cases of fraud that involves sending fraudulent documents through the mail.
Edited by NativeJovian on Aug 20th 2020 at 6:27:11 AM
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.The USPS were also one of the major groups hunting down the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski
Today's What the Fuck Just Happened Today?
Day 1309: "Donald Trump hasn't grown into the job because he can't."
U.S.: Total confirmed cases: ~5,554,000; deaths: ~174,000
Source: Johns Hopkins University
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
🗳 How To Vote In The 2020 Election In Every State. Everything you need to know about mail-in and early in-person voting in every state in the age of COVID-19, including the first day you can cast your ballot in the 2020 election. (FiveThirtyEight / NBC News / Wall Street Journal)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/economy/unemployment-benefits-coronavirus/index.html
2/ A federal judge rejected Trump’s effort to block the Manhattan district attorney from obtaining eight years of his tax returns, dismissing arguments that Cyrus Vance’s grand jury subpoena was “wildly overbroad” and issued “in bad faith.” Vance’s grand jury investigation is looking into payments made to Stormy Daniels before the 2016 election. The district attorney’s office also recently suggested that it’s investigating Trump and his company for “alleged bank and insurance fraud.” Last month, the Supreme Court ruled that Trump is not immune from investigation. Trump, meanwhile, told reporters that “we’ll probably end up back in the Supreme Court,” saying “This is a continuation of the witch hunt, the greatest witch hunt in history. There’s never been anything like it.” Trump’s planned appeal will likely push the matter past the election. And even if Vance defeats Trump’s legal challenges, the documents will still be covered by grand jury secrecy laws. (New York Times / Axios / Politico / Washington Post / CNBC / Bloomberg / CNN / Associated Press / Reuters)
https://apnews.com/d50092256b725ea503a390acd1b26133
3/ Stephen Bannon and three other men were arrested and charged with defrauding donors to a crowdfunding campaign that claimed to be raising money for the construction of a private wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. The campaign, called “We Build the Wall,” was publicly supported by several of Trump’s allies, and raised more than $25 million. Bannon personally took in over $1 million from the scheme via a non-profit he controls, “and at least some of it was used to cover hundreds of thousands of dollars in [his] personal expenses,” according to the indictment. Also named in the indictment is Brian Kolfage, the founder and president of We Build the Wall, Andrew Badolato, and Timothy Shea. According to prosecutors from the Southern District of New York, the four men “orchestrated a scheme to defraud hundreds of thousands of donors […] capitalizing on their interest in funding a border wall to raise millions of dollars, under the false pretense that all of that money would be spent on construction.” The United States Postal Inspection Service assisted in the investigation. Hours after Bannon’s arrest, Trump said he felt “very badly,” but claimed he knew “nothing” about the fundraising project or the people involved with it. (New York Times / Washington Post / Axios / NPR / Politico / Wall Street Journal / Bloomberg / NBC News / CNN / CNBC)
4/ Obama called out and criticized Trump during his speech at the Democratic National Convention, warning that Trump represents an existential threat to American democracy. “That’s what’s at stake right now — our democracy,” Obama said. Adding that Trump has had “no interest in using the awesome power of his office to help anyone but himself and his friends,” because he had “no interest in treating the presidency as anything but one more reality show.” Obama also underscored the consequences of Trump’s failures as president, saying “170,000 Americans dead, millions of jobs gone, our worst impulses unleashed, our proud reputation around the world badly diminished, and our democratic institutions threatened like never before.” Obama concluded: “Donald Trump hasn’t grown into the job because he can’t.” Meanwhile, at the White House, Trump responded
on Twitter
: “HE SPIED ON MY CAMPAIGN, AND GOT CAUGHT! WHY DID HE REFUSE TO ENDORSE SLOW JOE UNTIL IT WAS ALL OVER, AND EVEN THEN WAS VERY LATE? WHY DID HE TRY TO GET HIM NOT TO RUN?” (New York Times / Politico / NBC News / Axios / CNN)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics/barack-obama-dnc-speech-donald-trump-joe-biden/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/19/politics/barack-obama-speech-transcript/index.html
5/ Trump praised supporters of the QAnon internet conspiracy theory because he heard “they like me very much, which I appreciate.” The FBI has said QAnon — which baselessly alleges that a cabal of sex traffickers within the “deep state” is engaged in a global fight to take down Trump — poses a domestic terrorist threat. While Trump claimed that he doesn’t know much about the conspiracy theory, he said he’s “heard that it is gaining in popularity,” adding: “I’ve heard these are people that love our country.” When a reporter told Trump that the central premise of the QAnon theory is that Trump is saving the world from a satanic cult of pedophiles and cannibals connected to the Democratic Party, Trump responded: “Is that supposed to be a bad thing or a good thing? If I can help save the world from problems, I am willing to do it. I’m willing to put myself out there.” (Axios / Politico / NBC News / New York Times / CNN / Reuters)
The U.S. Postal Service instructed maintenance managers around the country not to reconnect or reinstall any mail sorting machines they had already disconnected. The emails were sent shortly after USPS Postmaster General Louis DeJoy said he was “suspending” his new policies “to avoid even the appearance of any impact on election mail.” (Vice News)
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/n7w9nd/usps-package-delays-mail-slowdown-hurts-small-businesses
Trump’s cabinet officials had a 2018 show-of-hands vote in the White House Situation Room to move forward with separating migrant children, despite Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen warning that there were not enough resources to separate parents, prosecute them for crossing the border, and return them to their children in a timely manner. None of the 11 officials at the meeting said separating families would be inhumane, and any moral argument regarding immigration “fell on deaf ears” inside the White House, one official said. (NBC News)
Trump ordered Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen to leave her post in D.C. and go to the border at least half a dozen times, according to Miles Taylor, who worked in the Department of Homeland Security from 2017 to 2019. According to Taylor, Trump at one point told Nielsen to “‘Get your ass on TV at the border, what are you doing, what the hell are you doing?’” (Politico)
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/19/dhs-kirstjen-nielsen-trump-border-398416
The Trump administration is moving forward with a plan to sell F-35 fighter jets and advanced armed drones to the United Arab Emirates. The UAE is currently working with the Trump administration on a plan to formalize diplomatic ties with Israel. American officials say the new push to sell the advanced weapons is not a direct reward for the Emirati role in any particular diplomatic breakthrough, but they did not deny that it comes as a result of the broader diplomatic effort to forge official ties between the two Middle Eastern nations. Some parts of the Israeli government have voiced concerns about the sale, and Congress is unlikely to approve it without the support of the Israeli government. (New York Times)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/world/middleeast/trump-netanyahu-israel-uae.html
The Trump administration asked the Supreme Court to decide whether Trump can block his critics on Twitter. An appeals court previously ruled that Trump’s practice of blocking critics violates the First Amendment. (Politico)
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/20/trump-twitter-blocking-399343
A former Department of Homeland Security chief of staff said Trump once asked him and other officials whether the U.S. could trade Greenland for Puerto Rico because, in Trump’s words, “Puerto Rico was dirty and the people were poor.” (NBC News)
The National Susan B. Anthony Museum and House declined Trump’s pardon of the late women’s suffrage leader, who was charged in 1872 with voting illegally. The museum noted that “If one wants to honor Susan B. Anthony today, a clear stance against any form of voter suppression would be welcome.” (Yahoo News)
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/susan-b-anthony-museum-rejects-donald-trump-pardon-082133508.html
On a side note, Obama's speech compared to Trump's all caps Twitter rant-response spells out the difference between the two Presidents as clearly as anything else I can think of.
Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 20th 2020 at 4:22:16 AM
Ooh, burn.
Pelosi endorses Joe Kennedy in Massachusetts Senate primary against Ed Markey
:
The move puts the California Democrat squarely in the middle of a closely-watched fight and could deliver a boost to Kennedy ahead of the September 1 primary election where he is challenging Markey, who served alongside Pelosi for decades as a member of the House of Representatives.
"Never before have the times demanded we elect courageous leaders as today. That is why I'm proud to endorse Joe Kennedy for Senate," Pelosi said in an endorsement video released by the Kennedy campaign on Thursday. "Massachusetts and America need Joe Kennedy's courage and leadership in the Senate to fight for the change we need," Pelosi said.
A Kennedy has never lost Massachusetts. But Markey, 74, has countered the shine of the Kennedy name by projecting the power of some of the party's stars, including Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, who have fundraised for the senator. Progressives, who have spent the last five years on the attack, trying to win seats from moderate incumbents in the House, have put their full weight behind Markey's campaign, and view the defense of his seat as one of their most important fights of the cycle.
Markey supporters say he deserves another six-year term based on his voting record and point to his co-authorship of the Green New Deal and earlier support of "Medicare for All," pointing to both as signs that he is of the times.
Kennedy, meanwhile, has maintained that he would be a different kind of senator, who will travel across the country and the state to elect Democrats, as he did in 2018 to help the party retake the House.
A Pelosi aide told CNN that Kennedy did not ask for the endorsement, but that the speaker felt compelled as a result of the congressman's work during the 2018 election cycle that played a key role in Democrats' efforts to take back the House.
The aide said that Pelosi was also concerned over attacks from the Markey campaign, including on the Kennedy family legacy. Markey says, for example, in a recent ad, "With all due respect, it's time to start asking what your country can do for you," taking on the famous line from President John F. Kennedy in which he said, "Ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country."
Progressives — including Ocasio-Cortez — reacted to the news of the endorsement with frustration. Party leadership has been aggressive in seeking to defend its incumbents against primary challengers, but Pelosi's endorsement, they argued, came in defiance of the spirit of that rule.
"No one gets to complain about primary challenges again," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted, punctuating the sentence with a happy emoji, before addressing the House Democratic campaign arm.
"When can we expect you to reverse your blacklist policy against primary orgs?," she asked. "Because between this & lack of care around @IlhanMN's challenger, it seems like less a policy and more a cherry-picking activity."
That is not beneficial to party unity, not at all. Pelosi should've just stayed out of it, at best this is an unforced error.
I'm not someone who typically despises everything Pelosi does but this is an absolutely horrible look, maybe the people who argue that she's intrinsically an enemy of leftism and progressivism have a point.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 20th 2020 at 6:06:11 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang

But no one was doing that? It's one thing to speak out about claims that Sanders was solely or primarily responsible for her lose, but you seem to step in anytime anyone mentions that he or voters who favored him could even be a factor, and I don't understand why.
The reason they're quick to point that out is that there has been a significant narrative after 2016 that blamed Sanders and worse his voters, on Clinton's defeat. A narrative that has been repeated in this thread I might add.
I think it's understandable they're eager to avoid that, even if as you say it wasn't needed here.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang