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#324476: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:37:17 PM

No, the problem is more whether or not Biden can overcome his decades of political instinct.

If Biden has to overcome his instincts depends on what you view his instincts as. Are his instincts to support specific policy ideas, or are they for him to place himself in the center of the Democrat party? Biden likes doing compromise, in the past it’s been between democrats and republicans, but it can just as easily be between factions of the Democratic Party.

That is what I’d argue is the big potential difference between Biden and many past presidential candidates, he may not be not trying to mould the party, but willing to let himself be moulded by the party.

Edited by Silasw on Aug 19th 2020 at 7:48:35 PM

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#324477: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:37:25 PM

...The FBI's twitter got hacked? Wouldn't it be more likely for the post to have been deleted?

Edit: I'm not going to link, but it was from the FBI Records Vault, not the main account.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Aug 19th 2020 at 3:39:05 PM

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#324478: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:38:40 PM

Twitter doesn’t have the best security, Obama’s twitter was hacked not that long ago.

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#324479: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:44:02 PM

If Biden has to overcome his instincts depends on what you view his instincts as. Are his instincts to support specific policy ideas, or are they for him to place himself in the center of the Democrat party? Biden likes doing compromise, in the past it’s been between democrats and republicans, but it can just as easily be between factions of the Democratic Party.

That is what I’d argue is the big potential difference between Biden and many past presidential candidates, he’s ay be not trying to mould the party, but willing to let himself be moulded by the party.

The instincts I'm referring to is style of governance. He's always been someone who believes in working with people, including Republicans, to get things done. Which as we see with Obama is not a viable way of engaging with the modern Republican Party.

Which is the problem, per the article both Biden and many of his advisors have repeatedly argued that he'll work with Republicans to pass his policies. To the point that they walked back on his prior statements that the filibuster may need to be abolished.

Suffice to say this is deeply disturbing, if Biden tries to work with Republicans then absolutely nothing will get done and things are going to get worse. It was bad enough that he spoke like this during the primaries, that he and his people are still talking about bipartisanship in the middle of the Republican aggravated pandemic is shocking.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 19th 2020 at 12:46:26 PM

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#324480: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:44:55 PM

So, what appears to have happened, is that the FBI Records Vault while running its algorithm(I can't tell what causes it to pick what) put out the Protocols.

So, extreme malice or extreme incompetence are involved. I suspect the latter, though the difference can be academic depending on the damage and how damage control is done.

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#324481: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:45:04 PM

Yeah, thats no hack <.< its probably some random "link to this thing we have to generate content" algorithm and some major leagues brain fault.

Edit: Well, I reported the tweet, even if thanks to local ID I could only do it via german legislative context (§130 STGB, Sedition) so I doubt it'll do anything. Just made me feel better to do it.

Edited by 3of4 on Aug 19th 2020 at 9:49:33 PM

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#324482: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:51:49 PM

It seems to have been uploaded as a part of a FOIA request, and the twitter account just links to anything uploaded.

So, incompetence, that can have malicious consequences.

Reported it as promoting hate.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Aug 19th 2020 at 3:51:43 PM

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#324483: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:59:59 PM

Its definitely sparked a bunch of antisemitism on my twitter feed. I shudder to think of how many people will read it who haven’t before, and will take it as fact rather than blatant antisemitic propaganda.

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#324484: Aug 19th 2020 at 1:02:48 PM

I was gonna say....yeah, enough Freedom of Information Act Requests causes automatic tweets but oh my god the look

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#324485: Aug 19th 2020 at 1:41:35 PM

Yeah, apparently they did, but the utter lack of any context is especially awful. If it had been in the context "White Supremacy is a rising threat in the US - they take cues from the likes of this <link>", it might have been received differently. The current guess is that it's an automated program providing the links, as it linked to other FBI Vault documents in the same fashion.

Edited by ironballs16 on Aug 19th 2020 at 4:43:32 AM

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#324486: Aug 19th 2020 at 2:12:29 PM

If it is just an automated tweet due to a certain number of Fo I requests then they need to patch it fast, before trolls start submitting Fo I requests specifically to make the FBI account tweet stuff.

Who leaves an FBI social media account running automatically based on public inputs? That’s a disaster waiting to happen.

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#324487: Aug 19th 2020 at 2:15:45 PM

[up] You mean like everything else under this administration?

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#324488: Aug 19th 2020 at 2:24:13 PM

The way twitter accounts are fun is probably something decided by career civil servants more than administration officials.

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#324489: Aug 19th 2020 at 2:24:53 PM

Alright, this cannot be a coincidence. They also tweeted out Ernst Zuendel, known Holocaust denier.

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#324490: Aug 19th 2020 at 2:40:47 PM

So, there are some fears that the Biden campaign is repeating Hillary's mistakes from 4 years ago.

https://theweek.com/articles/931502/elephant-room-dnc

Do you think they have a point?

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#324491: Aug 19th 2020 at 2:46:37 PM

Only if you believe the left engaged enough to care but politically dense enough to not realise this doesn't matter and that hasn't already decided Biden is too centrist for them outnumbers everyone else that is appealed to by appearing reasonable.

So no, it's baseless.

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#324492: Aug 19th 2020 at 2:49:09 PM

My issue with is that it skates over his policy task forces. The article mentions infighting giving off the impression that it was poorly received when in reality the end product has been widely praised amongst the leftists who took part in it. It's very misleading.

Really that's the article's fatal weakness, it ignores that Biden does indeed have policies that he can use to appeal to leftist voters. In particular, his Climate policy is something that could appeal greatly to the younger left-wing voters that deeply care about Climate Change.

Overall I'm not impressed with that article.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 19th 2020 at 2:49:44 AM

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#324493: Aug 19th 2020 at 3:03:41 PM

Yeah it seems to be trying to take a multi-root event (Hillary loosing 2016) and imply that there’s a big risk of it again because of a flawed take (they call Obama a moderate) on one part (the DNC lineup) of one of the issues from 2016 (the Democrats not properly securing the left-flank).

Biden had done a big chunk of outreach to the left of the party, which has itself been more receptive this year, that’s not going to all disappear in a puff of smoke because the speaker lineup at the DNC has been slanted towards moderates and anti-Trump Republicans this year.

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#324494: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:45:53 PM

[up]x4 Yeah I can see some similarities, but the Dems have a much more pressing problem: Biden is nearly senile and it shows every time he's on camera. Whether or not he makes the same mistakes is irrelevant if debate time comes and he just loses it and fails to sell himself. I am also seeing some of the arrogance that cost Hillary the vote in 2016. Not to mention that Kamala is fairly controversial so that may turn off some Dems right out of the gate.

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#324495: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:46:58 PM

Biden is nearly senile

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#324496: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:50:31 PM

Someone's been reading too many right-wing talking points...

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#324497: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:50:38 PM

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Biden has a known issue with a stutter, but little to nothing outside of a highly untrustworthy source (Primarily Trump) seems to actually think he's senile. .

Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 19th 2020 at 6:15:56 AM

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#324498: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:52:06 PM

Biden is nearly senile and it shows every time he's on camera. Whether or not he makes the same mistakes is irrelevant if debate time comes and he just loses it and fails to sell himself.

Biden being "senile" is mostly a meme based on his speech impediment and not a real thing. It's kind of unpleasant in its implications tbh. There's little reason to think it's actually the case.

I am also seeing some of the arrogance that cost Hillary the vote in 2016.

What exactly does this mean? Clinton lost due to many reasons in 2016,.

Not to mention that Kamala is fairly controversial so that may turn off some Dems right out of the gate.

There was a poll linked here earlier showing that Harris is approved of by over 80% of democrats. I'm not convinced she's particularly controversial outside of hard left circles which, while they should not necessarily be disregarded out of hand as a voting bloc, ultimately do not represent the majority of democrats, much less the electorate as a whole.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Aug 19th 2020 at 8:56:56 AM

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#324499: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:59:24 PM

Convention Night 3 is about to start. Obama, Pelosi, Warren, and our future Veep herself will all be speaking tonight.

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#324500: Aug 19th 2020 at 6:00:55 PM

Andrew Yang, ahead of his speech tomorrow, states that the Democrat's 'patronizing element' could damage their message. Thoughts on this?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/yang-criticizes-patronizing-element-of-democratic-messaging-ahead-of-convention-speech/ar-BB18aeJp?ocid=msedgntp

Personally, I can agree that we can be a little patronizing at times, but I want to hear your opinions.


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