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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#324451: Aug 19th 2020 at 11:20:22 AM

Hey remember when Trump wanted to buy Greenland? That's not the whole story. Apparently, according to a former Trump administration official, he wanted to "swap" Puerto Rico for Greenland, saying "Puerto Rico was dirty and the people were poor.”

Show of hands, who's surprised at all?

Edited by speedyboris on Aug 19th 2020 at 11:20:27 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#324452: Aug 19th 2020 at 11:21:13 AM

Is this guy deliberately trying to be a cartoon villain?

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#324453: Aug 19th 2020 at 11:21:52 AM

No, he's just a white supremacist.

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#324454: Aug 19th 2020 at 11:25:16 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]I know who it's supposed to resonate with, I'm just skeptical that it will.

Also, Biden for much of the his Primary campaign positioned himself as a centrist to contrast with the candidates that were more to the left and expressed desires to return to a pre-Trump political environment. Given that and the rest of DNC's support of Biden seeing the convention as an expression of those political views should not seem that outlandish.

You are right that there is no proof that any policy was changed on account of the Republican speakers. I would not discount desire to at least demphasize policy in hopes of not scaring potential conservative voters away.

Edited by Mio on Aug 19th 2020 at 2:29:34 PM

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#324455: Aug 19th 2020 at 11:25:27 AM

As it got pushed to the last page - that's just another reason ICE should be gotten rid of.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#324456: Aug 19th 2020 at 11:26:51 AM

I'm left wondering what Trump thinks the demographics of Greenland are, because I can't think they'd actually be to his liking.

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#324457: Aug 19th 2020 at 11:30:09 AM

This is of course assuming that this is just an electoral strategy as opposed to an actual expression of the actual ideology of the Democratic leadership, which I wouldn't discount either.

I rather doubt that the ideology of the Democratic leadership is "right-wing Republicans"...

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#324459: Aug 19th 2020 at 11:40:22 AM

I'm not sure how many of these on the fence regretful Trump voters actually exist,

It’s not aimed at them. It’s aimed at Republicans who sat 2016 out or voted third party, it’s also aimed at independent voters who like the idea appearance of bipartisanship because it lets them feel like they’re above “petty politics”.

Politics parties are very unpopular, people don’t want to be associated with them, so a number of voters want a way to vote for a candidate without feeling associated with that candidate’s political party, the appearance of bi-partisanship let’s them do that.

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#324460: Aug 19th 2020 at 11:42:40 AM

[up][up][up]That's not what I am saying. I was suggesting that the leadership of the party is more centrist then some would like to believe.

[up][up]His platform is broadly more left then he has expressed in the past, but we will see if/ when he comes to power if he will work very hard to fulfill that platform and whether or not he is willing to hear out policy that is much more to his left.

[up]Again, I am skeptical about how big these demographics are and how exploitable they really are.

Edited by Mio on Aug 19th 2020 at 2:47:42 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#324461: Aug 19th 2020 at 11:44:37 AM

My mother voted Trump and is voting Biden now.

She also voted for Obama.

So it is possible to switch over.

I believe that this thread and forum is a bad resource for gaging the public perception of Trump and also Trump voters since not all of them are dedicated fanatics.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#324462: Aug 19th 2020 at 11:49:43 AM

Jason Kessler, one of the leading figures of the Charlottesville Nazi demo, voted for Obama.

(Which off course is often brought up by idiots like Dinesh D’Souza for obvious, disingenuous reasons)

Edited by Forenperser on Aug 19th 2020 at 8:49:54 PM

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#324463: Aug 19th 2020 at 11:53:05 AM

[up] D’Souza deserves to be milshake'd every time he utters the word "Nazi".

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#324464: Aug 19th 2020 at 11:54:56 AM

[up][up][up]Unfortunately my parents and some of my co-workers who some what begrudgingly voted for Trump and are now doubling down on him.

The Democrats can not count on a number of Trump voters switching sides, and should not assume that all of their voting base will turn out with out fail. Chasing "undecideds" and people in the center has always been a dubious strategy and I don't see that changing.

[up]*Insert "but Nazi's were really Left-Wing" joke here*

Edited by Mio on Aug 19th 2020 at 2:57:43 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#324465: Aug 19th 2020 at 11:57:07 AM

I see persuading people from the Trump cult as a valid good by itself because too much of the current political dogma is aiding the Republicans by letting them frame it as a total war.

But the chasing of Trump voters is not to win them all but provide a cushion that will make his defeat confirmably crushing. A few extra percent points is important to destroy any chance of contesting the election.

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#324466: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:03:42 PM

Now on the list of things Trump is saying people shouldn't buy: Goodyear tires. So much for supporting American businesses.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#324467: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:14:48 PM

^ Specifically because they banned MAGA and Blue Lives Matter hats.

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#324468: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:15:58 PM

His platform is broadly more left then he has expressed in the past, but we will see if/ when he comes to power if he will work very hard to fulfill that platform

He’d be an outlier if he didn’t. It turns out that the conventional wisdom is wrong on politicians, they actually do try and fulfil their promises. It’s actually more more reliable to look at a politicians promises than their past record if you want to determine what they're going to try and do in office.

Edited by Silasw on Aug 19th 2020 at 7:17:32 PM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#324469: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:21:58 PM

He’d be an outlier if he didn’t. It turns out that the conventional wisdom is wrong on politicians, they actually do try and fulfil their promises. It’s actually more more reliable to look at a politicians promises than their past record if you want to determine what they're going to try and do in office.

Vox has a very relevant article: This is the Future Biden wants

The risk isn't that Biden once elected will shout "ha ha fooled you!" and go hard to the Right. No, the problem is more whether or not Biden can overcome his decades of political instinct.

If Biden pushes forwards on his plans and supports the elimination of the filibuster then his Presidency would bring very real concrete good far to the excess of what a centrist in the past would ever be willing to accomplish. But if he falls back into old habits such as a brainless desire for bipartisanship then his presidency will be a failure, and that's a very real possibility.

I'm not saying that he definitely will or that there's no point voting for him, but if he acts like Joe Biden then we'll have a problem.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 19th 2020 at 12:25:03 PM

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#324470: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:29:12 PM

So um. The FBI just tweeted a link to the protocols of the elders of zion.

This is worrying. Its hard to even call it a dogwhistle.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#324471: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:30:09 PM

Holy fuck, really?!

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#324472: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:30:27 PM

..I think they may have been hacked,it is twitter after all

https://twitter.com/FBI?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

(Their official twitter page)

Edited by Ultimatum on Aug 19th 2020 at 7:32:05 PM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
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#324473: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:31:58 PM

Checking the FBI twitter and seeing nothing.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#324474: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:32:17 PM

NVM

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 19th 2020 at 12:32:41 PM

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Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#324475: Aug 19th 2020 at 12:34:12 PM

Though the tweets about Operation Legend aren't that much better, thats Trumps "Send Federal Agents to protesting cities" thing

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