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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I think the "moderate conservatives" are remaining quiet and hoping people don't notice them in the crossfire. That said, a lot of what passes for moderate conservatism these days consists mainly of thinking that the Democrats are radical socialists who want to tax us to death and remove our freedom of speech but not agreeing that we should kill or imprison all the immigrants and minorities.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"So Sean Hannity asked Trump a question about his reaction to Kamala Harris's attacks on Biden about race.
And this was the answer:
At no point in this rambling stream of dialogue did it even remotely approach anything resembling a coherent thought, nor one remotely engaged with the question or the person it was asking about.
Depends how you define conservative. The couple Republicans left on the forums generally either avoid this thread of the entity of OTC. There are members of right-wing parties in other countries that hang around, there are a couple non-Republican Americans troopers who identify as conservative and pop up occasionally, then there’s people who match the traditional ideological concept of conservatism but don’t identify with the specific concept.
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(You guys post so fast!
) Yes, he does that a lot actually, when he has not prepared an answer. And often even when he has prepared one. Trump's train of thought gets easily sidetracked into other topics on his mind.
As for America not being founded as a Christian nation, I find that a bit debatable. The Puritans were a rather large influence throughout the colonial period, and the Constitution and codes of law were based on English ideas, which in turn are very much rooted in Christianity.
Edited by Redmess on Aug 12th 2020 at 11:17:33 AM
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I think (but can’t remember why I think this, I feel like it was prior discussion on this very forum) that the Puritans’ real desire for what they called religious freedom was because they weren’t okay with how the Church of England was growing more accepting, and they wanted to be “free” to impose their beliefs on others. Reminds me of certain demographics today...
Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Aug 12th 2020 at 5:20:47 AM
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Yes, but the colonies were still rooted on Christian tradition, in a way that you could not say for, for example, Islam. The country may not have been founded as explicitly Christian, but it certainly stood in a mainly Christian tradition.
You could perhaps argue that it was a Judeo-Christian tradition, though.
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Yeah, that was exactly my point. They claimed religious freedom, but that was a lie from day one.
You need to distinguish between the United States as a legal entity and America as a cultural entity. The United States, as in the country founded on the Constitution was explicitly not founded as a Christian nation, there were arguments about it during the Constitutional Convention and the pro-Christianity forces lost. However there's no doubt that the people who created the United States were overwhelmingly Christian in upbringing and outlook and that the vast majority of Americans, even those who aren't themselves Christian or are ex-Christian grew up in a cultural stew dominated by Christianity
Edited by tricksterson on Aug 12th 2020 at 6:16:24 AM
Trump delenda estTo answer a previous question, I am conservative, though I am anti-Trump and was long before he won the Republican primary.
Leviticus 19:34" Well... it was religious freedom... for them."
Probably worth noting that the Puritans in the Massachusetts Bay Colony drove out other Puritans over religious differences as well. That's why some of the other New England colonies came into the existence. Trying to get Puritans to agree with each other could be like herding cats.
The south you go, the less the influence. Pennsylvania was founded by a completely different denomination called Quakers. Maryland was Catholic. New York established religious and social tolerance as part of the negotiations to surrender the colony from the Dutch. Virginia and the Carolinas were established with the full intention of developing cash crops and these colonies were where slavery really took off.
Virginia, or Jamestown in particular, was the first permanent American settlement and has as much claim to developing American society as Plymouth and its Pilgrims do.
Conservatives!? Burn the witch!
But yes I would figure a lot of conservatives would come from nations other than the U.S as the definitions there vary a lot.
Like, my country is mostly super conservative but only the most radical of (mostly stupid libertarians) would suggest getting rid of our public healthcare system. Most of them owuld vouch fighting to the deth for our socialized healthcare system.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesOh, the Post Office's sorting machines are being removed in order to cripple its service.
Can we just go after this guys taxes or something? He is a criminal.
Edited by speedyboris on Aug 12th 2020 at 3:33:39 AM
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Under that argument, wouldn't every country in Western Europe and all of their colonies also be Christian nations?
I'd say that the U.S. isn't a Christian nation, because the "Founders" were ideologically simpatico with the Enlightenment, and deliberately made religion less tied to government than was the case in England.
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The founding of the US as a nation was mostly on Enlightenment philosophy.
"The Enlightenment included a range of ideas centered on the sovereignty of reason and the evidence of the senses as the primary sources of knowledge and advanced ideals such as liberty, progress, toleration, fraternity, constitutional government and separation of church and state.[5][6] In France, the central doctrines of the Enlightenment philosophers were individual liberty and religious tolerance, in opposition to an absolute monarchy and the fixed dogmas of the Church. The Enlightenment was marked by an emphasis on the scientific method and reductionism, along with increased questioning of religious orthodoxy—an attitude captured by Immanuel Kant's essay Answering the Question: What is Enlightenment, where the phrase Sapere aude (Dare to know) can be found.[7]"
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Edited by PointMaid on Aug 12th 2020 at 6:39:59 AM

Are there still any conservatives left on the forum? What would a conservative without all the nasty stuff even look like these days?
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