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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#323401: Aug 11th 2020 at 3:46:08 PM

I'm entirely serious about moving to Canada if Trump steals the election. My wife and others I love will have their lives threatened.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
PresidentStalkeyes Eats moldy bread and flies into windows from United Kingdom of England-land Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Do you like me? (Yes ⎕ Definitely ⎕ Absolutely!!! ⎕)
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#323402: Aug 11th 2020 at 3:46:20 PM

Didn't know Kamala Harris was a Senator for California until now. That made me notice something weird... California is often considered the quintessential liberal state, yet the state's two contributions to the presidency, Nixon and Reagan, were both Republicans. Not only that, they were both Republicans who are commonly regarded as being quite 'different' from what was the standard for Republicans for their time, as well as being trendsetters.

Maybe this has something to do with how California used to be a Mexican territory that rebelled and became an independent state... for 25 days, before the USA rolled in and annexed the place on their way to battle Mexico. ...Nah, I'm probably reading too deeply into things, now. :V

EDIT: Oh yeah, I forgot about Herbert Hoover. I guess he kind of fits this pattern as well, if only accidentally by contributing to the conditions that let FDR get his New Deal passed. :V

EDIT EDIT: Wait, no, Hoover might not count after all; as far as I can tell he just lived in California but never actually held office there?

Edited by PresidentStalkeyes on Aug 11th 2020 at 11:51:30 AM

Those sell-by-dates won't stop me because I can't read!
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#323403: Aug 11th 2020 at 3:51:07 PM

AFAIK Americans can't leave the U.S. right now, thanks to Trump fucking up the COVID response and other countries not wanting to take us as a result. (not counting people who have to travel for trade and business, that is)

Edited by speedyboris on Aug 11th 2020 at 3:53:33 AM

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#323404: Aug 11th 2020 at 3:52:16 PM

They're from Southern California, which has very deep Republican strongholds in its rural and suburban areas after mass migration from the South and Midwest after WWII.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#323405: Aug 11th 2020 at 4:05:26 PM

... For some strange reason, I'm suddenly getting Republican-tinged spam mails, like "supporting my gun rights". Weird.

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#323406: Aug 11th 2020 at 4:21:45 PM

Random question: Does anyone else get this vibe from Trump supporters that his winning the last election wasn't actually enough for them, but they'll never admit it?

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#323407: Aug 11th 2020 at 4:26:19 PM

Random question: Does anyone else get this vibe from Trump supporters that his winning the last election wasn't actually enough for them, but they'll never admit it?

Trump winning the last election was supposed to be about shutting up liberals and putting an end to the PC nonsense that they felt was attacking their Politically Incorrect Villain values. What it did was make liberals angrier and more energized than ever. All of Trump's people know that he's done nothing but they've given into a Sunk Cost Fallacy.

As hellish as the last 3 years has been, its also just pissed off liberals than quieted them.

Plenty of families have also broken up because of it too:

Dad: Haha, I bet you feel silly you voted against Trump.

Daughter: You voted for Trump? You disgusting racist!

Dad: What?

Mom: She'll get over it.

—she doesnt—

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 11th 2020 at 4:30:03 AM

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#323408: Aug 11th 2020 at 4:32:06 PM

That's basically what I thought. After all, is there anything that a bully hates more than when their target doesn't take it?

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#323409: Aug 11th 2020 at 4:35:35 PM

A target who actively fights back.

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ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#323410: Aug 11th 2020 at 4:38:15 PM

I’ll try not to derail the thread with family drama like I’ve done in the past, but yeah to [up][up][up]. I’m still a dependent (though hopefully only for another year) but the 2016 election really opened my eyes since I didn’t have strong political leanings back until then. Though civility persists, I can’t help but feel a rift especially between me and my dad (though I’m not sure he feels that rift himself).

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Aug 11th 2020 at 7:39:45 AM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#323411: Aug 11th 2020 at 4:38:38 PM

At least in Canada, the stories about Americans giving up their citizenship usually involves those that are already here. Longtime duel citizens and permanent residents.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#323412: Aug 11th 2020 at 4:38:47 PM

In a way, Black Lives Matter protests (the largest American protests ever) are worse for them than the covid business.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#323413: Aug 11th 2020 at 4:39:20 PM

Legal Eagle covers the Tiktok/Wechat kerfuffle:

Notably, he points out that China might well retaliate, by, say, demanding that Apple sell off its manufacturing arms in China.

And yeah, I don't think Apple and other American companies would appreciate that. But of course, Trump didn't think through those consequences.

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PresidentStalkeyes Eats moldy bread and flies into windows from United Kingdom of England-land Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Do you like me? (Yes ⎕ Definitely ⎕ Absolutely!!! ⎕)
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#323414: Aug 11th 2020 at 4:42:08 PM

Trump winning the last election was supposed to be about shutting up liberals and putting an end to the PC nonsense that they felt was attacking their Politically Incorrect Villain values.

The irony in this, as always, is that if they had their way then their way of thinking would become the 'politically correct' one. :V

Those sell-by-dates won't stop me because I can't read!
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#323415: Aug 11th 2020 at 4:48:27 PM

Not even irony.

It's why I stopped caring about "I may disagree with you but I'll defend your right to say it." Because racists and fascists don't care about you extending them the right to speech — they won't return the favor. They have no respect of the value of free speech.

As Jean Paul Satre said:

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#323416: Aug 11th 2020 at 4:52:34 PM

Wow, Sartre predicted the internet troll. grin

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#323417: Aug 11th 2020 at 4:57:45 PM

There's also the Goebbels quote Drunken Nordmann has mentioned a few times before about how "they may have allowed us to speak, but joke's on them! We have no intention of returning the favor". "Free speech" is really just "free speech for us and everyone else can suck it".

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#323418: Aug 11th 2020 at 5:16:46 PM

The irony in this, as always, is that if they had their way then their way of thinking would become the 'politically correct' one. :V

Exactly.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#323419: Aug 11th 2020 at 5:28:18 PM

"Trump winning the last election was supposed to be about shutting up liberals and putting an end to the PC nonsense that they felt was attacking their Politically Incorrect Villain values. What it did was make liberals angrier and more energized than ever. All of Trump's people know that he's done nothing but they've given into a Sunk Cost Fallacy. "

Kinda but is also because they saw the first months and trump was incapable of even forming the most basic policies, is telling they have the three branches and they still were fighting to repeat obamacare, to put the muslism ban or even the wall, any other more maquiavelican politician would kick the dems as far is could since they were desmorlized, but trump just sit down looking in confusion, giving time to dems to pull back and they did.

An with free speech....free speech emcompass two, probably three diferent thing: the legal definition of "goverment cant censure you" the internet expresion of "I have the right to talk here" and avoid moderation just because moderation dosent like what you said and the third one would be the most comon use "if you feel somene should stop because it feel it hurt you, it should will always be that way?".

Now all this can have their mertis and detractors, but most of the time specially with modern right what they want to is "I have thr right to tell you are stupid and you have to take it", which is a sign of polarization, which is a pretty damn bad thing right now.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#323420: Aug 11th 2020 at 5:40:52 PM

Biden has won the Connecticut primary, BTW. That's the last of the primaries. With that wrapped up and Harris on the ticket, there's nothing between us and the convention now.

Imca (Veteran)
#323421: Aug 11th 2020 at 5:41:22 PM

Aren't certain places abroad banning Americans from traveling there? Where would we go but Canada?

Hell, could we even go to Canada?

The answer is no, you cant even go to canada right now, but the people giving up there US citizenship left the US over half a decade ago during the Obama administration at the earliest.

You know this due to the simple fact that you aren't allowed to give up your only citizenship, and most nations require 5+ years to get there own citizenship.

The US citizenship path is a special kind of hell in the hoops you have to go through, but 7 years isn't that far out of the ordinary.... Only 12 countries allow you to get citizenship in less then 5 years in the entire world and other then Polland and Isreal they are all south amercian or africian, and none of them are generaly places where Amercians Imigrate too.

Edited by Imca on Aug 11th 2020 at 5:46:45 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#323422: Aug 11th 2020 at 5:44:40 PM

Really? So you can't make yourself stateless. Makes sense, I suppose.

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Imca (Veteran)
#323423: Aug 11th 2020 at 5:48:52 PM

Its.... not imposible to do if you REALLY try to, but you do have to really try to do so, and jump through many more legal hoops then it takes to just get a second citizenship.

So for practical intents you cant, because of just how bad you get fucked over by being a stateless person.... people go out of there way to keep you from doing so.

Edited by Imca on Aug 11th 2020 at 5:49:30 AM

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#323424: Aug 11th 2020 at 5:49:42 PM

Most of the Americans who come up in news articles have been here for decades. Many work and have families here, and are Canadian in all but law anyway. Or were dual citizens to begin with.

I'm not sure if these are representative of the American-Canadians who are giving up their US citizenship though. But it would make sense that those burning such a drastic bridge were already in a secure situation.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#323425: Aug 11th 2020 at 6:14:10 PM

https://time.com/5878437/trump-white-middle-class-voters/?utm_source=reddit.com

FINALLY, some news about what it took to move Trump's meter. Trump is down to 50% of the white middle class vote versus Romney's 60%.

...

Wow.

That is both celebratory and depressing.

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