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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Yeah. I don't know enough about Rice to say whether she would in practice be a good VP (and of course, Republicans are going to attack Harris).
But yeah, Rice seems like a bad choice to the extent that a VP is a possible successor.
She also has some kind of Hillary Clinton-esque faux scandals. Most literally in the case of Benghazi, but she's also connected with that made-up Trump accusation of Obama wire-tapping him.
As an Illinoian, I would have also liked to see Duckworth chosen. That being said, I tend to lean towards favoring the VP choice being an "also ran candidate".
Edited by Hodor2 on Aug 11th 2020 at 3:43:04 AM
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She "did", but she shunted responsibility immidiately after saying she wouldn't and refused to say if she actually felt bad and would do things differently now.
Edited by AzurePaladin on Aug 11th 2020 at 4:45:28 AM
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -FighteerMeh, I still don't like her very much.
But hey, I am willing to give everybody a shot. Biden himself has surprised me quite a bit in a positive way since he has been confirmed to be the presidential candidate, previously he was extremely wishy-washy.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianA little disappointed, considering she has a known spotty record on several areas including the especially hot topic of law enforcement, and I think she'd be more useful as a Senator or Attorney General, but eh, not the worst. I'm glad it's not Warren though, as much as I respect her I think she's more valuable either in the Legislative Branch or in the Cabinet.
Edited by AlleyOop on Aug 11th 2020 at 4:56:05 AM
When Harris was DA, incarceration numbers went down. She instituted a restorative justice program called Back on Track. She helped to end the gay panic defense.
There are criticisms, but it's far from the worst choice and a lot of the "spotty" prosecutorial record falls apart on scrutiny, like the truancy stuff.
She's pretty damn normal on foreign policy to, though I suspect her focus will be domestic (as Biden already has hundreds of foreign policy experts on his pay roll).
She's not overly confrontational (she supports tightening the White House's ability to engage militarily without Congressional approval) but she's no isolationist.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Part of my view with the Harris pick is that it also shows Biden in a good light, as she hit him hard during that first debate over the busing issue - and yet he still picked her as his VP. It shows that A) he's willing to let bygones be bygones, B) he respects her despite their differences, and C) he now has a VP pick who will absolutely hold someone's feet to the fire over injustices. For people that want a "return to normal", that's a damned solid ticket.
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Meh, I still don't like her very much.
But hey, I am willing to give everybody a shot. Biden himself has surprised me quite a bit in a positive way since he has been confirmed to be the presidential candidate, previously he was extremely wishy-washy.
Definitely, I'm not super fond of her either.
Ultimately I think if Harris gives a convincing repudiation of her prior record then she could become a decent if not outright good VP. I don't know what odds I'd give it but as you said if Biden can prove to be surprisingly decent then surely someone who has less distance to cover could do it too.
If nothing else this choice is a sign that Biden recognizes and accepts that the Democratic Party has moved left-ward.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 11th 2020 at 2:22:06 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
X3 I’ve seen a supposed quote of “I want the person who questions me on matters of race.” floating around, which is a dam good justification.
It’s worth recognising that Harris’ record generally consists of her being one of the most progressive people in elected office, she’s been one of the most progressive senators.
Harris is as far left as you can be while operating within the system, any further and you end up either not winning or being an outsider like Sanders or Warren.
Edited by Silasw on Aug 11th 2020 at 9:25:10 AM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranTrump' first attack video is out.
They're attacking Harris for... promising and expansion of health care and repealing tax-cuts during a pandemic.
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Not at all. Reminds me of 2018, when the democratic senator up for reelection for my state ran ads that sounded like what you'd expect to be attack ads against him, while the attack ads against him were almost complimentary.

Sadly Duckworth was always an outside bet.
The other ones frequently mentioned (Mayor Bottoms of Atlanta for example) lacked national name recognition and the needed experience to be President (maybe in 2024 or 2028 but not earlier).
I would not be surprised if Susan Rice wasn't already being considered for a key Cabinet position.
Edited by Rationalinsanity on Aug 11th 2020 at 5:41:38 AM
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.