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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#323126: Aug 10th 2020 at 8:34:54 AM

Trump addressing Tara Reade before was "Maybe it's false, I've been the victim of those too." He seems less interested in using accusations as a bludgeon when it's a man. Bringing up a discredited serial perjurer when he's currently facing a defamation suit regarding rape seems a less than stellar idea.

I would love to see him bring up Burisma given most people don't know what it's supposed to be about, don't care about it, remember that Trump got his sorry self impeached over it and is pretty likely to inadvertently confess to more crimes.

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A procrastination in of itself
#323128: Aug 10th 2020 at 8:48:40 AM

Trump did not storm out of his debates with Clinton, right? And I assume she did not exactly go easy on him, either.

She was much less direct then Biden is likely to be, due to her being a women it would have been seen as inappropriate and “bossy” of Hillary to directly confront Trump on his lies, that doesn't apply to Biden.

Trump followed Hillary around the stage and she said nothing because she’d have been blamed for making a scene, Biden would be able to get away with directly telling Trump to back off.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#323129: Aug 10th 2020 at 8:50:47 AM

It really is amazing how much is different when Trump's opponent is a man.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#323130: Aug 10th 2020 at 8:58:19 AM

I think she should have pushed back anyway, damn the "optics". By not pushing back, it just made her look weak instead.

I don't understand how you can be a feminist and then say, I can't defend myself because the sexists will use it against me. It is basically letting the sexists score a point against you for free.

And I think plenty of people are very well aware of the supposed scandal around Hunter Biden by now.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#323131: Aug 10th 2020 at 9:15:42 AM

Clinton lived for decades being attacked for everything. When Bill lost a race in Arkansas she was blamed for being too feminist, her hairstyle, etc.

She's spoken at length of how she's had to conceal her emotions and bite things back for concern of how it'll be portrayed. It's pretty easy to say "she should've lashed back at him" but you have to consider the 30 plus years of context attached

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#323132: Aug 10th 2020 at 9:24:36 AM

Heck, just look at the shitshow that resulted the one time she did call out shitty behavior with that "deplorables" comment.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#323133: Aug 10th 2020 at 9:26:39 AM

I feel like if the candidate was male the response would still have been poor because a lot of people don't like the implication that a significant part of someone else's voterbase is morally bankrupt, regardless of it being true. But I'm certain that Hillary being a woman made it worse.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#323134: Aug 10th 2020 at 9:27:46 AM

And there's also the fact a woman talking back won't just "be used against sexists", said sexists will beat them up, AT BEST.

Clinton will have security until she dies, but she's just using the mindset women were conditioned to.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#323135: Aug 10th 2020 at 9:28:27 AM

Old white women hate Hillary.

I don't know why.

My mom hated her for no good reason and she hates Pelosi for the same reason.

But Joe?

Oh she loves him.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#323136: Aug 10th 2020 at 9:30:50 AM

[up]Internalized misogyny and belief in traditional gender roles, probably.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#323137: Aug 10th 2020 at 9:50:20 AM

Yeah, the entire complaint about H. Clinton being "robotic" compared to her husband ignores how women get treated on the national stage.

Its a no win situation - she allows more emotion or inflection an d she's "too emotional". She does less of that, now she's "robotic".

The problem never went away, but it is reduced a bit now (AOC, Tlaib, and the rest of "the squad" for instance is able to get away with a lot more). Regardless, Clinton's formative political experiences were from '78-'00 and that influences how she presents herself even now.

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
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#323138: Aug 10th 2020 at 9:54:51 AM

TBH, I'm not sure how much AOC is really able to get away with. Her national favorability ratings are pretty low (in fairness that's because a lot of people don't know about her and many of those who do are informed by Fox News), her office gets constantly bombarbed with harassment calls and someone sent her pipe bombs, plus she's been repeatedly attacked by both the right-wing media and even people at congress from the beginning. It's just that she doesn't let that dictate her behavior, likely because yes her formative experience is different from Clinton's.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Aug 10th 2020 at 12:56:29 PM

PointMaid Since: Jun, 2014
#323139: Aug 10th 2020 at 10:00:13 AM

Nevertheless, She Persisted.

...what Mitch McConnell said to try to silence Elizabeth Warren during the confirmation of Jeff Sessions. In 2017.

Of course, became memeworthy soon after.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#323140: Aug 10th 2020 at 10:15:45 AM

AOC's also young, attractive and won in NYC where a lot of the media personalities live.

Edited by Lightysnake on Aug 10th 2020 at 10:17:11 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#323141: Aug 10th 2020 at 10:18:59 AM

One has to remember that she hasn't been politically active that long either.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#323142: Aug 10th 2020 at 10:21:00 AM

Recently Biden clearly stated that he will neither pardon Trump nor interfere with any Justice Department charges.

It's not surprising but it's still good to hear, especially considering that Biden has been fond of conciliatory garbage that might suggest a willingness to consider "healing the nation". Even if one is certain that he wouldn't do such a thing it's good that he's reassuring those of us who aren't so sure.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 10th 2020 at 10:21:35 AM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#323143: Aug 10th 2020 at 10:24:45 AM

In this case prosecuting Trump, or letting him be prosecuted, would probably go a longer way towards that healing than conciliation.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#323144: Aug 10th 2020 at 10:26:40 AM

Biden has been noticeably less chummy with Republicans ever since they tried to frame his son.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#323145: Aug 10th 2020 at 10:26:47 AM

In this case prosecuting Trump, or letting him be prosecuted, would probably go a longer way towards that healing than conciliation.

Indeed, actual healing will only happen when the guilty are punished and their enablers are driven from power.

Thankfully the Dems seem to understand at least the latter with their emphasis on electoral reform, and Biden's comment suggests that the former is possible.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 10th 2020 at 10:27:01 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#323146: Aug 10th 2020 at 10:43:47 AM

There's also the Crab Bucket element.

Hillary's success potentially undermined there's.

The problem never went away, but it is reduced a bit now (AOC, Tlaib, and the rest of "the squad" for instance is able to get away with a lot more). Regardless, Clinton's formative political experiences were from '78-'00 and that influences how she presents herself even now.

There's an interesting argument that has been forwarded by feminists that AOC and others get away with more because the generation of Hillary's tend to think of bossiness and confrontationalness as something less offensive from a younger woman.

Which is observed in the fact that Republicans use the same attacks against Hillary against AOC and they get backlash from the same women who supported the attacks on Hillary.

It was called the "Support my Daughter in Chief" effect.

And yes, the big difference is White Women (TM) in this.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 10th 2020 at 10:46:59 AM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#323147: Aug 10th 2020 at 10:55:54 AM

Granted, AOC did get better coverage after Yoho tell her to shut up and AOC actually response her back, it did help that yoho just did the typical no apology.

"Indeed, actual healing will only happen when the guilty are punished and their enablers are driven from power. "

Some concilliation have to be done in general, is a skillfull art how much and to how, let hope biden does it.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#323148: Aug 10th 2020 at 10:58:18 AM

Trump is now calling Biden the anti-Christ and a radical enemy of the Lord.

People are confused.

Perhaps because the WASPs don't understand how a white man can be the enemy.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 10th 2020 at 10:58:12 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#323149: Aug 10th 2020 at 11:01:22 AM

Some concilliation have to be done in general, is a skillfull art how much and to how, let hope biden does it.

I don't agree, the kind of extremists that the current Republican Party is composed of cannot be made peace with. The only options are defeating them completely or permitting them to dominate us for eternity.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 10th 2020 at 11:02:55 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#323150: Aug 10th 2020 at 11:02:10 AM

Specifically,he's saying Joe Biden is against the Bible and organised religion and he's for it,courting the religious right as usual

And against guns too apparently

[up][up]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-53688217/trump-says-biden-is-against-god-and-he-s-against-guns

Edited by Ultimatum on Aug 10th 2020 at 6:11:30 PM

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