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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#323026: Aug 9th 2020 at 2:50:37 PM

I mean, maybe neither of them should have run, but Biden has been dominating electorally in the primary and in the polls. It wasn't even close in the former.

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#323027: Aug 9th 2020 at 2:54:42 PM

I shudder at the thought of what the next GOP Primary is going to look like.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#323028: Aug 9th 2020 at 2:59:35 PM

I do have to wonder, assuming Trump loses, what the takeaway from the GOP will be.

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#323029: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:03:50 PM

Pick someone just as terrible but half as stupid.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#323030: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:09:24 PM

Bush didn't end the Republican party, but he did permanently discredit the neocon ideology and to a lesser extent helped to make people distrustful of Evangelical leadership. Trump may end up doing the same with right wing populism.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#323031: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:10:00 PM

I mean, maybe neither of them should have run, but Biden has been dominating electorally in the primary and in the polls. It wasn't even close in the former.

Yeah, the people chose Biden, which is why Bernie has endorsed him and done everything he can to promote him as well as work with him.

It's almost like Bernie believes in democracy and defeating Trump.

Bernie in the end is a soldier in the fight against fascism.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 9th 2020 at 3:11:12 AM

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#323032: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:11:22 PM

Yes, Bernie's actions this time around are far better, no question. But Biden should be under no obligation to only serve 4 years. If he beats Trump, he's earned the right to run again if he desires.

Bernie's issue is he hates Trump but doesn't seem to view his voters as a problem. He's given cover to the racism that helped bring us Trump more than once. "I don't think most people voting for Trump are racist or sexist." Or "People who weren't necessarily racist felt uncomfortable voting for a black person." He doesn't understand when issues deviate from the strictly economic.

Edited by Lightysnake on Aug 9th 2020 at 3:13:46 AM

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#323033: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:15:19 PM

so we're still on the Bernie run around? *slowly sips tea*

In an blatant attempt to change the topic, the Trump admit actually reached out to check what the procedure would be to put Trump on Mt Rushmore.

Edit: Also can we let 2024 be 2024, because so far I'm not entirely sure we're hitting 2021 with how this year is going.

Edited by 3of4 on Aug 9th 2020 at 12:18:57 PM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#323034: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:17:27 PM

Regarding AOC and the Presidency; even if you ignore her lack of qualifications (especially on foreign policy), her national approval ratings are atrocious.

Give her 10-15 years, and maybe the conditions are right. But not 4.

[up]I imagine that the spirits of Lincoln and Teddy would animate their respective heads and disrupt the work before they let that happen.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Aug 9th 2020 at 7:20:20 AM

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#323035: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:19:04 PM

[up][up] Oh, that's just precious. And pathetic.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#323036: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:22:02 PM

It'd be funny until happens.

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#323037: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:22:48 PM

> I do have to wonder, assuming Trump loses, what the takeaway from the GOP will be.

They'll still be the party of Trump for awhile,that much is certain,it will be awhile before they stop being the party of Trump altogether

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#323038: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:28:31 PM

[up]It'll probably depend on how the GOP as a whole does <.< if its going to be a massacre for them it might get nasty fast in the GOP

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#323039: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:31:24 PM

The thing is it doesn't solely depend on the GOP leadership itself. They did not want Trump initially, they were forced to accept him because that's what their voters wanted. And they've become so radicalized that only the trumpiest of candidates win their primaries now.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#323040: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:33:59 PM

Trump's candidates often lose.

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#323041: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:40:58 PM

Yeah it’s not clear how total Trump’s takeover has been, candidates similar to him or with his backing have lost primaries.

But I could see that changing, if Trump looses any GOP voters blame the loss on internal sabotage they could end up primarying out more people post-Trump.

A lot will also depend on Trump personally, former presidents/candidates tend to go pretty quiet, Trump doesn't do quiet.

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ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#323042: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:41:36 PM

If they lose every seat up for grabs in the Senate, their party will pretty much be dead. Expect the Lincoln Project Republicans to either attempt to salvage it or try to start a new conservative party. I'd hope that this will lead to a change where the system is changed up to where multiple parties can exist instead of 2. That alone would change things up, and would allow a party for Progressives, Conservatives, moderates, etc etc to exist.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#323043: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:43:18 PM

Not into that idea. The UK and Israel have multiparty systems. It's no bed of roses.

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#323044: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:46:31 PM

Not to mention that you'd need to pretty much change the entire election system

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ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#323045: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:46:52 PM

[up][up] Nothing is perfect, and it's infinitely better than the two-party system we have now, since one party can get corrupted like the GOP and take full control. Meanwhile with multiple parties, it would require a hell of a lot more to corrupt the system.

Edited by ScubaWolf on Aug 9th 2020 at 6:46:41 AM

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#323046: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:49:45 PM

I can't see how it can be claimed they're 'infinitely' better when Israel's had like four elections in a ridiculously short time and the UK just got dominated by the Tories in no small part due to interparty strife.

Nothing about multiparty systems prevents a bad party from seizing power.

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#323047: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:53:54 PM

The problem with using the UK as an example is that we're still a first-past-the-post system, and as ever that means that changes in only a particular demographic can have sweeping electoral impacts.

Plus our electorate has a really weird problem with electing what it wants, which we talked about at some length a while back.

ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#323048: Aug 9th 2020 at 3:54:00 PM

[up][up] Okay then, let's just keep the two party system, and not try to stop corruption. There's no point after all right? We should just accept everything that happens and not even fix any problems, since nothing will ever be perfect.

Edited by ScubaWolf on Aug 9th 2020 at 6:55:18 AM

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