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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#322976: Aug 9th 2020 at 11:45:10 AM

Before they broke, they were allies, and their respective fans were remarkably chummy. Of course, we know how it ended...(and before you accuse me of anything, I was on the Warrens side of that split)

Until she was a threat to Sanders' chances to the nomination. I mean, the Sanders camp blew off any chances the Warren camp opened to talk. This is actually a great example of why Bernie would be a bad leader: when Biden was getting his rivals to hug it out, Bernie couldn't get the endorsement of the Senato closest to him.

God, can we stop trying to whitewash Clinton already?

He broke too many promises, betrayed Queer rights, attacked welfare, booted the progressives in his economic circle, fucking raped someone and got away with it, drove the entire Democratic Party Rightwards with the "triangulation" policy, continued to attempt to work with the Republican Party despite them personally hating his guts, the crime bill that Sanders helped pass was under his administration, and so on and so forth.

William Clinton is a bad person, and a bad President, and the sooner this bizzare misplaced nostalgia that half the world has for him dies the better.

I'm not going to argue this on Clinton to any great degree, but I stand by my comments on the Affordable Care Act having nothing to do with the Republican plan.

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#322977: Aug 9th 2020 at 11:47:20 AM

Could you elaborate on that? I have an idea about his mistreatment of women, but that goes further than anything I've heard about.

The power difference between Lewinsky and Clinton alone was really fucking scummy, but Juanita Broaddrick talked about this incident back in the 70s, on the Arkansas campaign trail.

Cw: Rape. Its exactly what it says on the tin.

[up] Okay, but I'll still note that it although being a step in the right dirrection still was not far enough.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Aug 9th 2020 at 2:50:48 PM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#322978: Aug 9th 2020 at 11:50:44 AM

Juanita Broaddrick swore under oath he never raped her, later changed her story that Hillary Clinton threatened her when her career was on the rise and became a full surrogate of Trump to attack Trump and Kavanaugh's accusers

Power dynamics between him and Lewinsky are one thing, but Broaddrick's credibility is something of an issue.

[up] The ACA gave millions of people healthcare, expanded Medicaid, regulated the health insurance industry and more. It wasn't the final tep, but it was a huge one in the right direction

Edited by Lightysnake on Aug 9th 2020 at 11:53:06 AM

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#322979: Aug 9th 2020 at 11:53:03 AM

...

Sometimes Rape victims don't want to come forward at all, especially when the rapist is powerful.

Having said that, what happened with Lewinsky alone qualifies.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#322980: Aug 9th 2020 at 11:54:09 AM

Okay, do we really want to go to this place again?

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#322981: Aug 9th 2020 at 11:55:12 AM

No. No, I do not.

[down] Hear, hear!

Edited by AzurePaladin on Aug 9th 2020 at 2:57:10 PM

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Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#322982: Aug 9th 2020 at 11:55:39 AM

Okay, but I'll still note that it although being a step in the right dirrection still was not far enough.

And for that, Joe Lieberman can forever go fuck himself.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#322983: Aug 9th 2020 at 11:57:51 AM

The problem isn't waiting a long time to come forward. The problem is swearing under oath, the commission questioning her finding her lacking in credibility, changing her story when Hillary ran for higher office and attacking Trump and Kavanaugh's victims after becoming a full on Trump fanatic while still claiming she was apolitical.

As for Lewinsky? By the time she and Clinton started their affair, Lewinsky had been offered a full-time position before she ever met Clinton. I've read the report on it; Lewinsky herself says she pursued him. If you read the Starr report, they had an extensive relationship. Yes, there were issues with power dynamics, and the behavior was scummy on Clinton's part, and in the abominable way he treated Lewinsky after, but it wasn't rape.She was never his subordinate in the sense that he had any actual direct supervisory role regarding her employment.

Edited by Lightysnake on Aug 9th 2020 at 12:00:48 PM

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#322984: Aug 9th 2020 at 12:00:18 PM

Lightysnake. I'd really, really rather not have this conversation.

For the record? Basically everything you just said, is either not disqualifying or just flat out wrong. But I seriously don't want to continue down this path.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Aug 9th 2020 at 3:00:12 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#322985: Aug 9th 2020 at 12:00:30 PM

Until she was a threat to Sanders' chances to the nomination. I mean, the Sanders camp blew off any chances the Warren camp opened to talk. This is actually a great example of why Bernie would be a bad leader: when Biden was getting his rivals to hug it out, Bernie couldn't get the endorsement of the Senato closest to him.

Warren attacked Sanders repeatedly. Bernie did not do the same. Both Presidential campaigns he ran were clear of dirty politics and attack adds. They were on hope, not hate.

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#322986: Aug 9th 2020 at 12:00:47 PM

RE: The other Clinton - This thread has already been through the ringer twice in less than 24 hours. Let's just not add a third.

Edited by nombretomado on Aug 9th 2020 at 12:01:11 PM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#322987: Aug 9th 2020 at 12:02:31 PM

[up][up] This just isn't true Sanders' own campaign staff attacked Warren constantly. Nina Turner screamed about her, Sanders' official press secretary attacked her, his speechwriter went after her, his unofficial surrogates went after her.

Then it was found out there was that document given Sanders' callers attack scripts against Warren. You're trying to rewrite how his campaign actually went.

You're not going to claim 2016 was devoid of 'dirty trick' when Sanders proudly shared the stage with people calling Clinton a 'corporate whore.' Negativity was baked into 2016 and it got worse when Sanders kept losing. I had a front row seat to it.

Edited by Lightysnake on Aug 9th 2020 at 12:04:05 PM

ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#322988: Aug 9th 2020 at 12:07:05 PM

[up] What did I say last page? DROP IT! Cause again, you're opening a can of worms that does not need to be opened. Knock it off.

Edited by ScubaWolf on Aug 9th 2020 at 3:10:23 PM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#322989: Aug 9th 2020 at 12:12:34 PM

Yeah, lets not go down the 2016 route again, especially on how much Sanders was "at fault" for Clinton losing.

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#322990: Aug 9th 2020 at 12:26:39 PM

I’m still not convinced Warren and Sanders have actually ended their friendship, the campaign is the campaign and it’s now over, I’d expect Sanders to endorse Warren if she runs in 2024.

As for Bernie running a clean campaign against Warren, a campaign now isn’t just the ads run on TV, it’s also the tweet sent out by campaign stuff, which from my understand were often not clean.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#322991: Aug 9th 2020 at 12:28:40 PM

I doubt Warren tries to primary Biden

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#322992: Aug 9th 2020 at 12:29:57 PM

Didn't Biden say he was going to be a one term President?

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#322993: Aug 9th 2020 at 12:30:31 PM

To my knowledge it was one of those silly political gossip articles without any real substance to it.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#322994: Aug 9th 2020 at 12:31:40 PM

There's been off and on rumors that Biden intends to only serve one term and let a Democratic successor take the reins after he's done sending the rest of the world the most elaborate gift baskets ever.

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#322995: Aug 9th 2020 at 12:33:35 PM

I Googled about and the headlines don't have specific quotes just that he's thinking about it,or has signalled that he intends to,most of them are saying that it would sink his presidency if he did so

Edited by Ultimatum on Aug 9th 2020 at 7:34:10 PM

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#322996: Aug 9th 2020 at 12:33:48 PM

I jut reread the article. It's nothing but aides speculating he's 'signaling' it.

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#322997: Aug 9th 2020 at 12:37:35 PM

He’s given a few hints, I remember the rumours during the primary of him thinking of taking a one-term pledge to try and boost his support when things looked bad.

We’ll only know for certain if he wins in November and even then we won’t know until November 2022.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#322998: Aug 9th 2020 at 12:40:11 PM

Biden's been in politics since 1969 and he sure wasn't getting rich off it until he left as VP. You don't do that unless you love it.

Edited by Lightysnake on Aug 9th 2020 at 12:40:03 PM

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#322999: Aug 9th 2020 at 1:21:09 PM

For what it's worth, my understanding is that, while politics technically pay well, it pays considerably less than other fields that use the same skills. So, basically, it's a terrible field to go into for monetary purposes.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#323000: Aug 9th 2020 at 1:26:10 PM

A shame because being a one term President is the second most appealing quality about Biden after not being Trump.

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