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LooseCannon The Groose Is Loose from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jun, 2012
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#32201: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:29:24 PM

Didn't the Founding Fathers actually cherish education?

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#32202: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:30:43 PM

[up][up] DO NOT BLASPHEME!

edited 12th Oct '12 2:30:59 PM by rmctagg09

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tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#32203: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:31:34 PM

@Hilarity Ensues: What makes you think that isn't exactly what happens, with "democracy" being about as real as professional wrestling so that the sheeple think they actually matter?

Trump delenda est
Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#32204: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:34:08 PM

Man, you guys really need to let go of the past. tongue

Founding fathers this, founding fathers that. It's like your nation was founded by these people. tongue

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#32205: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:35:14 PM

But its not in the constitution, therefore its not the government's problem.

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#32206: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:35:25 PM

There's a reason why I now use the term "self-described conservatives".

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#32207: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:35:40 PM

And Obama talks to other world leaders and other countries like they're equals. He doesn't talk down to them because he's American and knows better than they do. He doesn't dismiss other countries. He learns about before he talks about them and listens when their leaders speak. He doesn't always agree with them and he doesn't roll over to them, but he can talk to them. He can start a dialogue. Not a bullying monologue.
And in the conservative mindset, this is why Obama is bad for national security. By their "logic", if you're not trampling all over everyone else, you're weak, and your weakness is emboldening our enemies. [Insert video of Reagan telling Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall here]

Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#32208: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:36:21 PM

Well, I think 3 Amendment has been the most successful so far.tongue

[up]Makes... sense. I think.

edited 12th Oct '12 2:36:57 PM by Inhopelessguy

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#32209: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:37:08 PM

Well, that is consistent if your worldview is that everyone IS out to get everyone else and it's a dog-eat-dog world. You want to be the top dog.

Problem is when the real world doesn't work like that. Alternatively, problem is when your worldview is no longer relevant when someone changes the way the world works and says "hey, we can actually get along with each other."

Then you get those people who are like, "NO WE CAN'T GET ALONG WE ARE A DOG EAT DOG WORLD AND YOU ARE SHOWING WEAKNESS" and desperately try to keep good solutions off the table because they feel uncomfortable about it.

edited 12th Oct '12 2:39:10 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#32210: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:38:16 PM

Remember, Obama got criticized for bowing.

You know, the polite thing to do in their culture?

Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#32211: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:40:42 PM

Remember, Obama got criticized for bowing.

OH NO HE DID'N!

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#32212: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:43:14 PM

Yep, he did.

edited 12th Oct '12 2:43:39 PM by Ekuran

pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#32213: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:43:19 PM

It probably doesn't help much when large swaths of the nation seem to be pretty moronic - their vote is counted just as much as those who we could deem more deserving and more intelligent, and then you get what we have here today.

I could possibly be counted in the moronic camp, as I'm fairly conservative in a number of views, but Good Lord, you don't just kill Education, since that's how you're going to train up doctors, engineers, teachers, scientists and business majors - the very people that would further along an economic recovery. In contrast, Service Sector jobs aren't going to go very far in that regard, but that's all you'll be able to do, if education goes into the toilet.

GMH nailed it. We can afford to be polite from time to time, and doing that more oftem might actually help.

edited 12th Oct '12 2:44:40 PM by pvtnum11

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#32214: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:44:53 PM

@Thorn: The controversy on that issue was that, rather than the quick, polite Japanese bow that is culturally appropriate, he made a low bow combined with a handshake, both of which are not proper protocol in Japan.

edited 12th Oct '12 2:45:36 PM by EdwardsGrizzly

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#32215: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:44:57 PM

The conservatives are just going absolute batshit over this "GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF EVERYTHING (except the vagina of a woman)"

[up]

But they're not criticizing him for that. They're criticizing him for bowing and being "Subservient"

edited 12th Oct '12 2:45:31 PM by Thorn14

#32216: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:46:43 PM

Yeah, but the point is, the response "You know, the polite thing to do in their culture?" doesn't follow because it's not the polite thing to do there and appears awkward and subservient even in light of Japanese culture.

edited 12th Oct '12 2:47:12 PM by EdwardsGrizzly

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#32217: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:47:18 PM

And in the conservative mindset, this is why Obama is bad for national security. By their "logic", if you're not trampling all over everyone else, you're weak, and your weakness is emboldening our enemies.

The Nixon Madman Theory, which Republicans are still clinging to.

Remember, even Colin Powell declared that he wanted to 'scare the hell out of the world'. This is standard policy and we never deviate from it. We literally want to seem ready to vaporize anyone at any moment.

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#32218: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:48:04 PM

[up][up]

It shows an effort to try at least. Unlike Cheney who just gave a handshake for example.

Also there are other bowing moments he got shit for. I forget who.

edited 12th Oct '12 2:48:21 PM by Thorn14

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#32219: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:48:12 PM

So he messed up on how to be polite.

That's not really a point.

pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#32220: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:48:14 PM

I'm more of the mindset that the Government doesn't need to be in everything, but there are some matters where it absolutely needs to be. Stuff like international trade and commerce, setting standards and guidelines, defense, infrastructure and being a safety net of sorts. I'd like smaller government, but not to the point in which we start to lose quality of service. I'd imagine that smaller would be easier to run and simpler to administer.

...but that's just me and my view.

Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#32221: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:48:57 PM

Conservatives believe government should be used for only one thing, and that is defense. (And preventing a woman's choice of course too)

Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#32222: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:49:19 PM

-mouth gaping open-

Why did my school decide to study US Comparative Government & Politics? Why not something saner and less stupid, like Ideologies and the Political Spectrum?

Skatepunk Since: Feb, 2011
#32223: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:51:09 PM

@pvtnum

There's a huge difference between being moronic and being conservative.

Until you prove me otherwise, you aren't moronic.

Heck, there are moronic liberals as well. The kind that legitimite criticism of the president (such as being soft on Wall Street) is done by racists who hate having a black president. Even when color has nothing to do with that criticism. So idiots are spread all across the spectrum.

vanthebaron Mystical Monkey Master from Carlyle, Il Since: Sep, 2010
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#32224: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:51:34 PM

They don't know what respect means do they?

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#32225: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:51:53 PM

Anyone who is a birther is a moron though.


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