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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#32151: Oct 12th 2012 at 7:26:04 AM

@Euo:

One of the worries about Romeny getting in, in the UK, at least, is that he might well be worse than another Bush... It lies in just how... how... ARGH he is when out of his depth in other countries.

When even a majority of British Conservatives at their Conference prefer Obama to Romney (see the video). They might agree with his fiscal Policy, but disagree when it comes to Social Policies and a feeling that Romney's too gaff-prone to support.

edited 12th Oct '12 7:27:31 AM by Greenmantle

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#32152: Oct 12th 2012 at 7:39:57 AM

That and the administration's preference for what are essentially 'accurate, surgical strikes' with use of the military helps. "Get in, get the job done, get out", and a tendency to ask permission before doing things. It shows that you respect others' sovereignty.

That and no matter how well intentioned Bush was, Iraq and Afghanistan reeked of veiled forms of Imperialism and White Man's Burden.

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#32153: Oct 12th 2012 at 7:49:28 AM

If Biden at the debates was a cranky old man, what was Eastwood at the RNC?

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Dawnwing (Ancient one) Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#32155: Oct 12th 2012 at 7:56:24 AM

"If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages or laughs, and there is no quiet." - Proverbs 29:9

I've seen this passed around quite a bit today, and it certainly does seem to be speaking about last night.

Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#32156: Oct 12th 2012 at 8:04:52 AM

...Or we could try criticizing politicians based on their actual policies and stated positions, as opposed to how they choose to market and present those policies and positions, which is a purely tactical decision.

But that would be madness!

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
Dawnwing (Ancient one) Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#32157: Oct 12th 2012 at 8:22:13 AM

That would be nice, had we actually gotten a chance to hear Ryan's policies and opinions for more than a few seconds at a time. They're estimating that he got interrupted about 80 times by Biden and 30 times by the moderator.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#32158: Oct 12th 2012 at 8:27:24 AM

[up]Protip: Don't use Breitbart as source.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#32159: Oct 12th 2012 at 8:33:31 AM

[up][up]

Ryan's had ample opportunity for months to give facts and or opinions. Instead we just get smug contempt for the common man's ability to understand how he can somehow derived a revenue neutral budget from claims every economic expert in the world says cant possibly work outside of unicorns and rainbows.

But thewn. Liberals are evil, so no matter what we do, we're the villain.

edited 12th Oct '12 8:33:48 AM by Midgetsnowman

Dawnwing (Ancient one) Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#32160: Oct 12th 2012 at 8:38:36 AM

[up][up] Do you have another source, then, that bothered to try and measure how bad that was? Democrat or Republican, that was obnoxious. Romney was annoying too, but not nearly to that degree. Ultimately I feel that it made Biden look over-defensive and sound less credible.

edited 12th Oct '12 8:38:59 AM by Dawnwing

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#32161: Oct 12th 2012 at 8:47:15 AM

[up]

so what should he have done? Obviously being polite like Obama makes you a weakling.

johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#32162: Oct 12th 2012 at 9:00:18 AM

But you've got to get nasty in a Presidential race. Civility? Really? Do you expect to win a race by being contrite?

I'm a skeptical squirrel
ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#32163: Oct 12th 2012 at 9:09:21 AM

You'd be surprised by how many people in other countries like Obama due to him being perceived as a "cool dude." At least anecdotally, if you go to a place like imgur and see a picture of Obama doing something like playing with a lightsaber or reading kids a story, you get one comment that's like "Man I can't wait for him to be out of office" followed by a slew of "..... then we'll take him over here in <country>" and "no dude, we totally called dibs first over here in <other country>" etc.

You'd also be surprised by how many people in other countries will flat out state they don't like him because he's black. The honesty is actually kind of refreshing instead of having to pick it out from some subtle sneer or whatever.

The point is, image is important.

"Never let the truth get in the way of a good story." Twitter
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#32164: Oct 12th 2012 at 10:02:26 AM

... oh dear lord, Akin...

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/12/1003121/todd-akin-no-science-behind-evolution/ If I'm reading this right, he's saying evolution can't count as science because it's non-provable? ... Ugh... why do Republican representatives this cycle insist on turning into living strawmen...?

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#32165: Oct 12th 2012 at 10:03:13 AM

[up]

because they know full well their miost devoted parts of their base knows jack shit about science and believes the bible is literal.

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#32166: Oct 12th 2012 at 10:15:29 AM

At this point i'm 100% convinced Akin is just purposely spewing as much shit as he can and see if he can still win.

Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#32167: Oct 12th 2012 at 10:32:30 AM

0_0

-prays to God-

Dear God. Thank you for not letting our British politicians talk like this, and instead talk of normal things, like cutting welfare by 10%.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#32168: Oct 12th 2012 at 10:35:36 AM

[up]Thank God that classic debating practices still apply, even outside Parliament, in the main.

Heck: facts are important. It's good when most of the time it's about differences in interpretation from various sources, rather than how screwed up the numbers you're pulling from the air are.

edited 12th Oct '12 10:36:10 AM by Euodiachloris

pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
#32169: Oct 12th 2012 at 10:50:56 AM

...I wonder if FSTDT will see an uptick in new entries.

I thought the debate was lively. Both were articulate, both stood their ground. Both also pretty much didn't answer the mud-slinging question much at all, except to sling more mud.

Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
Nemesis
#32170: Oct 12th 2012 at 11:01:06 AM

Well, the campaign purpose of the VP is to play to the base, so that makes sense.

A brighter future for a darker age.
Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#32171: Oct 12th 2012 at 12:03:42 PM

I'm beginning to see how people are still supporting Romney and Ryan despite the fact that they keep lying. I just had a lengthy Facebook conversation with some family acquaintances, one of whom said Obama put us into debt and then tripled that debt. No matter how much math I used, no matter how many times I explained that the debt hasn't even doubled since Obama took office, she insisted I was being intolerant of the opinions of others and blaming Bush for everything. And this was a woman with about twenty or thirty years more life experience than me, who kept insisting I was too young to understand and not old enough to remember Bush. (I'm 20).

It's no wonder people don't care that Romney and Ryan are liars. They believe all the crap that comes out of their mouths.

edited 12th Oct '12 12:06:08 PM by Lennik

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HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#32172: Oct 12th 2012 at 12:18:01 PM

[up]Well, yeah?

I mean, they wouldn't be able to survive otherwise.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#32173: Oct 12th 2012 at 12:26:08 PM

[up][up]

Kee[p in mind she probably also had no idea how to do the economic math herself. Which makes it even more aggravating.

In short, theres a large quantity of people who the idea that Romney was confident and poised and Biden was a rude and cocky bastard are exactly what they saw because they cannot fathom a world where Romney was lying his ass off but damned good at looking poised even when not, or who actually doesnt notice how similar Biden acted to Romnbey (y'now. except with moar facts)

edited 12th Oct '12 12:27:49 PM by Midgetsnowman

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#32174: Oct 12th 2012 at 12:34:32 PM

Looks like a lot of political analysts are focusing on Biden's smiling rather than Ryan's Lying.

And here's a terrible question asked at the debate.

Medicare and SS are not going broke. In about a decade's time, they're going to have to have extra funds allocated to their respective funds, but those funds will still pay out well over 70% of what they need to.

edited 12th Oct '12 12:38:10 PM by Enkufka

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#32175: Oct 12th 2012 at 12:40:51 PM

Remember. Never admit mistakes. And deflect and confuse others.

No one will remember Biden shutting down Ryan's lies.

They will remember him smiling.

Mission accomplished.


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