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#32126: Oct 11th 2012 at 10:24:45 PM

[up]When you live on Bullshit Mountain, you don't need sources or statistics.

That's right, boys. Mondo cool.
Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#32127: Oct 11th 2012 at 10:25:28 PM

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/18/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-us-navy-smallest-1917-air-force-s/

Pants on Fire.

Also Ryan says that anything they would do in Syria would have to involve American Interests only.

He dodged the moderater asking about humanitarian aid.

edited 11th Oct '12 10:30:33 PM by Thorn14

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#32128: Oct 11th 2012 at 10:30:47 PM

@Thorn: Not sure where Ryan is getting that tidbit.
Same place gets all of his facts: Directly out of his ass.

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#32129: Oct 11th 2012 at 10:37:59 PM

Romney's actually.

Also he would have 15 new ships be built.

Paid for by uh...uh...

edited 11th Oct '12 10:44:05 PM by Thorn14

johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#32130: Oct 11th 2012 at 10:55:34 PM

Well ok America, if you believe the mammoth U.S. military has shrunk to 1914 levels then perhaps you should consider voting for Mitt Romney, World Hero.

I'm a skeptical squirrel
Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#32131: Oct 11th 2012 at 10:57:49 PM

Its a clever really.

Keep focusing on the economy so no one talks about how stupid you are about the military and how much of a hawk you are.

edited 11th Oct '12 10:58:18 PM by Thorn14

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#32132: Oct 11th 2012 at 10:59:25 PM

If the Obama team could stay on message, the economy is actually an advantage of theirs not a disadvantage, but only because of Romney's 47% comments and the like.

HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#32133: Oct 11th 2012 at 11:02:28 PM

Meh, the military talk is neocon pandering. I think we all know that.

The real Republican foreign policy plan is to accelerate climate change rapidly and persistently enough to the point where it becomes impossible for the planet to sustain human life, putting an end to terrorism once and for all. It's ingenious, really.

edited 11th Oct '12 11:05:05 PM by HilarityEnsues

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#32134: Oct 11th 2012 at 11:07:06 PM

It just blows my mind how republicans can go "We don't need health for the poor or schools or teachers or all that junk, what we need is more carriers and submarines!"

Hypothetical scenario. if we went to war with iran and a draft was instated, would we see riots?

edited 11th Oct '12 11:09:20 PM by Thorn14

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#32135: Oct 11th 2012 at 11:18:11 PM

[up] It definitely wouldn't go over too well with the public, I'll say that much.

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HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#32136: Oct 12th 2012 at 12:20:02 AM

In that case, probably.

But that scenario is pretty far-fetched. Ignoring the problems with drafting for a war with Iran in terms of military strategy, it's also political suicide for whoever tries to implement it. Who wants to have reinstating the draft on their record? I wouldn't even want to be in the same party as that guy.

As I see it, the main way any hawkish politician gets people to go along with war is the fact that it's happening in a distant land and it's not personally affecting you. Conscription would turn it into a personal issue for many people, and I think this is probably the last thing that neocons want to do.

Skatepunk Since: Feb, 2011
#32137: Oct 12th 2012 at 12:43:26 AM

Actually, America is becoming more and more anti-war. Not necessarily out of being pro-peace, but simply being war-weary of the Middle East and just wanting it to end.

Anyway... I pretty much have no choice but to vote for Obama. Anderson and Stein didn't even qualify as write-in choices in my state. And while I support Johnson more than Obama in terms of the patriot act and drug use, I think he is horrendous on fiscal policy and Social Security.

Obama is officially a better candidate than Johnson. Too much risk, not nearly enough reward for Johnson. It's a shame he's not more well known, though.

And as for the debate, my mom was upset with Biden (she's pro-Romney for some reason) thinking he was completely disrespectful. My opinion? Biden won. But the grinning was... odd.

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#32138: Oct 12th 2012 at 12:51:09 AM

Eh, I think they both grinned a bit much.

That said, from what I saw (last 15 or so minutes), Biden's pretty awesome.

cutewithoutthe Góðberit Norðling Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Góðberit Norðling
#32139: Oct 12th 2012 at 1:17:51 AM

@romney's leadership skills: ....That's hilarious.

He was a below average, or even a horrible, governor. I can't believe hardly anyone is pointing that out.

What we need is Obama. He is the man suited for the job, he's not an idiot, he hasn't run anything to the ground, even when he had the chance; but above all,

America does not need a business man for a President.

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#32140: Oct 12th 2012 at 1:53:43 AM

People think running a private business and running a government is the same thing somehow.

cue that daily show segment where what would happen if America really WAS run like a private company.

Couchpotato20 Will kill you from Hell Since: Apr, 2011
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#32141: Oct 12th 2012 at 2:06:40 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/11/fox-news-biden-debate_n_1960141.html

Oh the butthurt...the hilarious and insurmountable of Faux news. [lol]

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GearLeader from Dota Hell Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Married to the job
#32142: Oct 12th 2012 at 5:54:39 AM

Hey it s Fox News version of Joe Biden!

edited 12th Oct '12 5:54:50 AM by GearLeader

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXkI1sTDoEg
#32143: Oct 12th 2012 at 6:05:36 AM

He's also mended our relationship with some of the rest of the world,

I hear this a lot, and I used to believe it, but the other day someone challenged me to offer some examples and I was at a loss. What exactly did Obama do to mend our reputation besides get elected and not be Bush?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#32144: Oct 12th 2012 at 6:09:43 AM

[up]Not be Bush?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
#32145: Oct 12th 2012 at 6:11:24 AM

Well, that's not exactly any credit to him absent actual actions.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#32146: Oct 12th 2012 at 6:29:27 AM

Libya.

Believe it or not, that mattered to the rest of the world, since like it or not, most of the world is generally okay with the US playing World Police, and we showed the world stage that without Shrub at the helm, we could operate properly to overthrow a dictator, help restore peace, and effect change that, so far (and with the usual bumps and starts), appears to be for the better.

But yeah, "not being Bush" was quite a load off of the world's mind.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#32147: Oct 12th 2012 at 6:36:18 AM

"Not being Bush" is highly relevant.

One of the worries about Romeny getting in, in the UK, at least, is that he might well be worse than another Bush... It lies in just how... how... ARGH he is when out of his depth in other countries. tongue

This is how his visit to us basically went down. Spot the security gaffe that occurred. I promise, there was one that must have made a few in both MI 5 and MI 6 want to strangle him. Not to mention the rest of the civil service as a whole. That's... quite a feat.

Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#32148: Oct 12th 2012 at 7:09:16 AM

Gotta love how the repbulicans are calling Biden rude for interuppting and all...

but Romney was just forceful. yup, he didn't do anything wrong.

I'm baaaaaaack
Jhimmibhob Since: Dec, 2010
#32149: Oct 12th 2012 at 7:10:59 AM

I'm not a great prognosticator, but seem to have called it this time: neither VP candidate did anything fatal, and neither party really lost or gained. Whichever man you came in liking or disliking, you got few reasons to change your mind and a couple of reasons to strengthen your existing impressions. Onwards to the Tuesday "town meeting."

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#32150: Oct 12th 2012 at 7:13:42 AM

And Obama talks to other world leaders and other countries like they're equals. He doesn't talk down to them because he's American and knows better than they do. He doesn't dismiss other countries. He learns about before he talks about them and listens when their leaders speak.

He doesn't always agree with them and he doesn't roll over to them, but he can talk to them. He can start a dialogue. Not a bullying monologue.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

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