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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#31651: Oct 10th 2012 at 10:11:50 PM

If you question the idea that everything should be questioned, then...

um.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#31652: Oct 10th 2012 at 10:12:52 PM

Romney & Obama's moderator says he pleased with how the debates went.

Apparently this guy has been a presidential moderator 12 times now.

[up] The world implodes?

edited 10th Oct '12 10:13:22 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Actual Wrestling Legend
#31653: Oct 10th 2012 at 10:13:01 PM

[up][up] I keep hearing that even the Republicans are getting leery of further entanglements in the desert.

problem: Presidents are required to fight wars in order to be installed in the pantheon of Great Presidents™. Second, they might succumb to the notion of recharging the economy via a Big War.

I'm a skeptical squirrel
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#31654: Oct 10th 2012 at 10:14:39 PM

[up]

"Presidents are required to fight wars in order to be installed in the pantheon of Great Presidents™"

What about Washington?

edited 10th Oct '12 10:16:06 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Actual Wrestling Legend
#31655: Oct 10th 2012 at 10:20:20 PM

Umm.... he had already fought one. And was declared Greatest Man in the World.

But even he almost succumbed to pressure to fight France, as did Adams.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#31656: Oct 10th 2012 at 10:22:57 PM

[up]

Wait so they get inducted even if the war was before there presidency?

Well I guess that clears Andrew Jackson as well.

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johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Actual Wrestling Legend
#31657: Oct 10th 2012 at 10:26:44 PM

And Grant and Einsenhower et al.

Actually, those two benefited from from maintaining peacetime, in my view, because they represented a return to normal. Well, minus the Korean War, but that was MacArthur's fault, and Ike wrapped that one up.

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#31658: Oct 10th 2012 at 10:31:58 PM

[up] He's super cool because he kicked British ass in the Revolution.

That's a serious ninja.

edited 10th Oct '12 10:32:16 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#31659: Oct 10th 2012 at 10:33:16 PM

[up][up]

Still being a war hero hasn't helped William H. Harrison or Zachary Taylor.

edited 10th Oct '12 10:38:22 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Actual Wrestling Legend
#31660: Oct 10th 2012 at 10:36:53 PM

I didn't say it works, but every President wants to be Lincoln, and they need a war to call their own.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#31661: Oct 10th 2012 at 10:45:04 PM

Romney vows to be a 'pro-life president'

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney pledged to be "a pro-life president," a day after an interview in which he said he doesn't intend to pursue anti-abortion legislation if elected.

Okay he's just pandering for votes. This is pretty blatant.

edited 10th Oct '12 10:47:02 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Actual Wrestling Legend
#31662: Oct 10th 2012 at 11:04:03 PM

Well, the pro-choice people are at a record low.

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#31663: Oct 10th 2012 at 11:04:29 PM

I really wonder if Obama wants to just go "Fuck it. Its not worth this shit'

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#31664: Oct 10th 2012 at 11:09:19 PM

[up]

I'm sure many presidents have been through moments like that.

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johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#31665: Oct 10th 2012 at 11:18:45 PM

Obama is a victim of his own press. That's not even me being negative as usual — we all kind of saw that coming, didn't we? You don't make CHANGE your slogan and not expect people to demand immediate change.

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#31666: Oct 10th 2012 at 11:22:16 PM

Was the "SOCIALIST MUSLIM KENYAN FACIST" part his fault too?

I'm fairly certain this is the most vile politics have gotten in America for a looooong time.

edited 10th Oct '12 11:23:02 PM by Thorn14

johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Actual Wrestling Legend
#31667: Oct 10th 2012 at 11:32:09 PM

Nonsense. When Al Smith ran for President he was accused of building an undersea tunnel to the vatican.

I think Americans are mostly right-wing and capitalist and anti-union and interventionist, even the "liberal" ones, and this is reflected in the polls.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#31668: Oct 10th 2012 at 11:35:12 PM

[up]

Were a nation founded on a dislike for taxes, opportunism, manifesting destiny, compromises, and The American Dream.

What do you expect?

EDIT: Although the interventionist part is somewhat recent, pre- WW 2/Cold War America was very isolationist (at least when it came to the affairs of Afro-Eurasia).

edited 10th Oct '12 11:41:38 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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entropy13 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#31669: Oct 10th 2012 at 11:44:47 PM

[up]You mean Afro-Europe. Since in Asia the US was quite interventionist, establishing a "sphere of influence" in China, forced the Tokugawa Shogunate to open up, invaded the Philippines.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#31670: Oct 11th 2012 at 12:05:05 AM

What recent polls seem to indicate is we've got a large number of fickle voters, whose opinions on candidates shifts depending on their most recent prominent appearance in the media.

As for Presidents going to war, that's partly because that's one of the few areas where the President is largely in control. On domestic matters they can't do much besides veto legislation and act as their party's spokesperson; if they want to be seen as directly making a difference, it almost has to be in the field of foreign affairs.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#31671: Oct 11th 2012 at 12:06:48 AM

[up][up]

You do have a point there.

[up] Harry Truman once said, Well all the president is, is a glorified public relations man who spends his time flattering, kissing, and kicking people to get them to do what they are supposed to do anyway.

edited 11th Oct '12 12:13:00 AM by DeviantBraeburn

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#31672: Oct 11th 2012 at 12:16:38 AM

I hear President Grant sucked.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#31673: Oct 11th 2012 at 12:24:05 AM

[up]

Tremendously. The poor old war dog was far to trusting when assigning positions in his cabinet. His "friends" screwed him and the US economy over, leading to a rather long recession.

Warren Harding encountered a similar problem.

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#31674: Oct 11th 2012 at 12:26:33 AM

[up][up][up]

True. The President doesn't have any real power over Congress — all the President can do is attempt to persuade members to follow their wishes.

I keep hearing that even the Republicans are getting leery of further entanglements in the desert.

* Imagines Romney and Obama fighting it out in the Desert instead of Debates. Trial by Combat? *

edited 11th Oct '12 12:30:29 AM by Greenmantle

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Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
Nemesis
#31675: Oct 11th 2012 at 12:28:15 AM

I wonder who'd win? Neither served in the military, that I recall, and both are in reasonable shape. Might be close.

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