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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#31626: Oct 10th 2012 at 7:39:04 PM

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Appeal To Worse Problems:

"Arguing that expressing concern about a (relatively) small problem means that the person doesn't care about any larger problems. A type of Strawman, this fallacy takes the opponent's claim and appends to it the following additional claims:

1. That it is not possible to care about big and small problems simultaneously.

LGBT people being subjected to worse does not justify the harassment that teen or any other regular christian received.

That's like justifying Black kids being racist to a White kid by pointing out that White people being racist to Black people is more common.

[up] But that's not the situation is it?

edited 10th Oct '12 7:48:53 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#31627: Oct 10th 2012 at 7:42:42 PM

So I just got this in the mail today.

It's a "documentary" about how Obama's real father was a radical white-hating Marxist Muslim and passed all his beliefs off to Obama.

The fact that someone would not only spend money to make this, but mass-mail it to random people (I sure as hell didn't ask for a copy) blows my freaking mind.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#31628: Oct 10th 2012 at 7:44:56 PM

I was under the impression Obama barely knew his father. Even if he did that doesn't mean Obama thinks that way. Point me at one thing he's done that's "anti-white".

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#31629: Oct 10th 2012 at 7:46:41 PM

@Jovian: I got a DVD from an anti-abortion group that said that women kept getting pressured into getting abortions. Binned it after I realized that the video was going to be dead fetuses.

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Mikon :3
#31630: Oct 10th 2012 at 7:49:05 PM

If some Christians are being harassed for no reason, that's unfortunate. I'd hardly call that persecution.

HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#31631: Oct 10th 2012 at 7:55:07 PM

First of what's a "significant amount of institutionalized discrimination" is completely subjective.

How about getting payed 77% of what men make on average as a woman? Or having a conspicuous lack of laws protecting your employment status as an LGBT?

Secondly that doesn't mean anything, because no amount of institutionalized discrimination aimed at any group should be tolerated or accepted.

I agree... well, with the second part, at least.

Look, I think we can all agree that prejudice of any kind is bad. But that's not how this conversation started. When Christians say they're persecuted, it's generally because they don't have the right to force their beliefs on other people. Not all of them, but when do you hear the phrase the most in political discourse? I'll give you a hint: it's whenever someone starts talking about gay people getting rights.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#31632: Oct 10th 2012 at 7:55:48 PM

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The definition of persecution: The act of persecuting.

The definition of persecuting: To pursue with harassing or oppressive treatment, especially because of religion, race, or beliefs; harass persistently.

It's persecution.

edited 10th Oct '12 7:56:11 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#31633: Oct 10th 2012 at 7:56:28 PM

What are we talking about? Are we talking about institutionalized persecution?

HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#31634: Oct 10th 2012 at 7:59:44 PM

Honestly, I don't know. One moment we were talking about how the Religious Right maintains a persecution complex while persecuting others, then there was something about some college students being sarcastic to an evangelist. It doesn't make any sense.

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#31635: Oct 10th 2012 at 8:02:02 PM

A person being harrassed for his/her religious beliefs is persecution, and that itself is unfortunate enough.

However, one instance does not alone make it institutionalized persecution, which is a different problem from one random asshole being a jerk.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#31636: Oct 10th 2012 at 8:02:22 PM

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9598

So apparently this is an article is floating about Tumblr. You remember how Republicans were bitching about Acorn unfairly signing up voters?

The RNC has apparently been caught doing the same thing, this election cycle.

edited 10th Oct '12 8:02:46 PM by PotatoesRock

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#31637: Oct 10th 2012 at 8:04:03 PM

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I remember Grizzly saying something, and then someone disagreed .... and that's how we ended up talking about institutionalized persecution.

edited 10th Oct '12 8:05:32 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#31638: Oct 10th 2012 at 8:23:19 PM

it's all screwed up at this point. I think theres less of a persecution issue at this point and more of a overall lack of respect between people of others choices, eg, borderline mockery for promoting not screwing everyone that you date as a actual option.

edited 10th Oct '12 8:23:38 PM by Joesolo

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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#31639: Oct 10th 2012 at 8:34:58 PM

I don't know. Then again as college students, we're bombarded with people trying to corner us on the street and make us do some cause every day, so... I don't know. I hate them whether they're Christians or for homeless shelters or for animal rights or for feeding children in third-world countries. I mean it's not that I'm actually against these things but I hate people bothering me when I'm trying to get places.

I'm not trying to justify what any college students did and I mean even if they are assholes, if you're openly doing anything on a college campus I think you can expect to be hated.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#31640: Oct 10th 2012 at 8:38:27 PM

Jindal: Obama has ‘Occupy Wall Street’ perspective.

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#31641: Oct 10th 2012 at 8:39:57 PM

what kind of "malicious lies" are you talking about?

Did we not just have this whole conversation when someone accused the religious right of being pro-rape?

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Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#31642: Oct 10th 2012 at 8:40:37 PM

That was at least 1 week ago, I think.

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Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#31643: Oct 10th 2012 at 8:40:55 PM

i cant disagree with that. im saying in general. people get rabid over anything...

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ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#31644: Oct 10th 2012 at 9:44:17 PM

re 77% comment: After you account for things like maternity leave and occupation choice (ie a writer gets paid significantly less than an engineer), the wage discrimination between men and women is closer to 5% rather than 23%. Still present, but not as ridiculous as if you just take a flat average of the country.

re christian persecution: we have here a book that made the New York Times best seller list that criticizes and ridicules the notion of religion, primarily focused on Christianity. Yet we don't have a best seller that promotes homophobia or racism.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#31645: Oct 10th 2012 at 9:47:04 PM

[up] Sigh.

Obama condemns Malala shooting as 'disgusting'

edited 10th Oct '12 9:48:15 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#31646: Oct 10th 2012 at 9:54:15 PM

[up][up] Everything should be questioned. Religion. Physics. Maths. Harry Potter. Toilets. Magnets. Stars. Race. Culture. Light. Pants. Everything should be questioned and mocked and examined. This is not the same as persecuting it.

Nothing is sacred. Nothing is too good to be put into question. For a long time religion was put on a pedestal of do not question this. It's been knocked off that pedestal, but it's still a long way from persecution.

edited 10th Oct '12 9:57:49 PM by shimaspawn

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#31647: Oct 10th 2012 at 10:01:46 PM

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Has that notion ever been questioned? Because someone really ought to.

edited 10th Oct '12 10:02:01 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#31648: Oct 10th 2012 at 10:06:39 PM

Rand Paul: Romney's wrong on Middle East.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#31649: Oct 10th 2012 at 10:06:52 PM

[up][up] It has been. If it isn't questioned then it doesn't work.

edited 10th Oct '12 10:07:03 PM by shimaspawn

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HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#31650: Oct 10th 2012 at 10:09:56 PM

...It's... more than a little disconcerting reading about Obama condemning the murder of a Pakistani activist considering the, uh, drone strikes. Man I hate this election.

Has that notion ever been questioned? Because someone really ought to.

We have plenty of places where the government and religion are both unquestionable. They're called theocracies, if you're interested.


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