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#291651: Oct 6th 2019 at 12:54:37 PM

[up][up]Rage Quitting rather than face the perceived humiliation of a trial in Senate may be worse.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#291652: Oct 6th 2019 at 12:55:23 PM

That is actually true.

Trump can't stand the slightest bit of criticism.

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#291653: Oct 6th 2019 at 12:57:54 PM

Trump won't even accept the election results of an election he lost as valid.

Hell, Trump won't even accept the election results of an election he won as valid 'cause he didn't win it hard enough.

I cannot see any scenario where Trump steps down to avoid a Senate trial that he's guaranteed to win anyway.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 6th 2019 at 1:58:08 PM

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#291654: Oct 6th 2019 at 12:59:13 PM

Yeah, the only reason Trump will have to resign is if there is a sign that Senate Republicans are going to defect. But considering that literally all evidence suggests that they won't, I don't think it's worth considering as a serious result.

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#291655: Oct 6th 2019 at 1:00:35 PM

Even if there were evidence to that effect, I doubt Trump would heed it. We have seen him, on many occasions throughout his Presidency, selectively reinterpret reality to be in his favor.

Trump isn't playing 4-D chess with his ego. He's just a raving egomaniac. He's not capable of making decisions that will spare him humiliation, because that requires him to acknowledge the existence of a humiliating outcome in the first place.

Historically, Trump's handling of potential embarrassment is this: he makes stupid decisions, gets publicly humiliated in foreseeable ways, then lashes out angrily at everyone around him in wild spectacles that only serve to humiliate him further. Even if he was guaranteed to lose the impeachment trial, Trump does not have the self-awareness to retreat from it.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 6th 2019 at 2:05:28 AM

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#291656: Oct 6th 2019 at 1:04:04 PM

While I don't think it would happen, I should point out that Trump has actually bailed on literally hundreds of projects, companies, and positions before.

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#291657: Oct 6th 2019 at 1:05:04 PM

Because he ran off with their money

Oh really when?
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#291658: Oct 6th 2019 at 1:07:59 PM

Yeah. Trump's a con artist. He considers taking all of your money and leaving you holding the bag to be a win, not a public humiliation. He outright bragged about all the white-collar crime, calling it proof of how smart he was, while on the campaign trail for the Presidency.

That's a very different situation from the public visibility of his Presidency. "Winning" this one means something very different, because the entire world's eyes are on him.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 6th 2019 at 2:10:24 AM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#291659: Oct 6th 2019 at 1:39:32 PM

It's unfortunate that a lot of people agreed with the "because I'm smart" comment. I don't even just mean his supporters, I've heard people adamantly opposed to him not even fault him for that.

Maybe it's a framing thing.

Edited by LSBK on Oct 6th 2019 at 3:40:58 AM

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#291660: Oct 6th 2019 at 2:08:30 PM

So, I think it kinda got buried last time I asked this, and if I’m bothering anyone with it then I apologize, but...

About what are the odds of a good outcome with the SCOTUS decision on the 8th of this month? It’s something that’s going to impact a lot of people, and not just gay and trans people. If they decide it’s legal to fire people over gender identity or sexuality, they’d easily be able to stretch the definition to get away with firing cis men who are too feminine, or cis women who aren’t feminine enough. That’s already happening with the bathroom policing that’s been going on lately.

So... about how likely is it that the current court going to rule against us on this?

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#291661: Oct 6th 2019 at 2:22:40 PM

Hope for the best, be prepared for the worst.

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#291662: Oct 6th 2019 at 2:29:33 PM

I think Attention Whore is more concise about what Trump is

Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#291663: Oct 6th 2019 at 2:31:19 PM

Also, resigning to avoid losing face in impeachment makes no sense, because the moment he stepped down he'd be arrested and tried on criminal charges anyway.

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#291664: Oct 6th 2019 at 2:31:53 PM

Given the current court line-up, with more Conservative judges than Liberal ones, the odds are not in our favor. On the other hand, based on recent history the Liberal judges seem to be a unified wall, while many good decisions have passed just because 1 or 2 Conservative judges voted with the Liberal judges, so it's certainly a possibility.

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#291665: Oct 6th 2019 at 2:46:26 PM

Also, resigning to avoid losing face in impeachment makes no sense, because the moment he stepped down he'd be arrested and tried on criminal charges anyway.

Not if his VP immediately pardons him. That's how Nixon did it.

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#291666: Oct 6th 2019 at 2:52:52 PM

And Ford paid a heavy political price for that pardon, I’m not sure if Pence would be willing to pay that price.

Though he’d also pay a price for not pardoning Trump, so who knows.

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#291667: Oct 6th 2019 at 2:54:52 PM

Given the current court line-up, with more Conservative judges than Liberal ones, the odds are not in our favor. On the other hand, based on recent history the Liberal judges seem to be a unified wall, while many good decisions have passed just because 1 or 2 Conservative judges voted with the Liberal judges, so it's certainly a possibility.

This is partly because the Supreme Court, as a whole, is less willing to enact huge sweeping changes than one might hope or fear. The SC does not consider themselves to be lawmakers and are resistant to efforts to make them act as such. To this end, they try to issue specific rulings on the element of a given case that will have the least legislative impact.

For instance, they would rather rule on whether or not a lower court that's already issued a ruling obeyed proper court procedure than on the central merits of the case being brought before them. They don't want to be pigeonholed into a position of writing law via judicial ruling.

Some SC rulings have legit been earthshattering, but those tend to be few and far between.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 6th 2019 at 3:55:19 AM

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#291668: Oct 6th 2019 at 3:07:01 PM

Bluntly, I'm not sure the logic the Presidency is protecting Trump holds logic. No one wanted to take him down until he was President. I'm not honestly sure anyone would care to go after him after he does.

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#291669: Oct 6th 2019 at 3:08:25 PM

At this point, our best hope is Roberts. While he is your typical conservative jackass, he cares about the Court's credibility above all other concerns.

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#291670: Oct 6th 2019 at 3:16:21 PM

Bluntly, I'm not sure the logic the Presidency is protecting Trump holds logic. No one wanted to take him down until he was President. I'm not honestly sure anyone would care to go after him after he does.

Oh, I'm 100% certain nobody will go after him once he leaves office.

If he were successfully impeached, that would open the door to prosecution for his crimes. But that's not on the table, because Republican Senators will never turn on him in the numbers required for a successful impeachment.

Trump is leaving office in 2021 or 2025. At which point he'll be succeeded either by another Republican with no particular interest in having Trump arrested or by a Democrat who doesn't want to deal with the authoritarian-looking optics of having their predecessor arrested.

It's a bad look to walk into office, turn to your predecessor from the opposition party, and demand this person be placed into handcuffs. That's the kind of shit that freaks people out. Even Trump knew better than to have a political adversary arrested. One of his campaign promises was "LOCK HER UP", a promise to have Hillary Clinton jailed over BUT HER EMAILS THO. Three years later, that still hasn't manifested into anything.

He wants to lock up political rivals. He talks about it a lot. But he hasn't done it, because even Trump knows how that looks.

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#291671: Oct 6th 2019 at 3:17:39 PM

Trump, personally, is gonna walk away from this just, that's just something we're gonna have to deal with unfortunately.

Oh really when?
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#291672: Oct 6th 2019 at 3:20:20 PM

I dunno. Trump might be what corrects the bungle Ford made by pardoning Nixon.

There are some crimes against the body politic not even a President should be immune to facing the legal music for.

Asking foreign powers to meddle in domestic affairs without the backing of congress? Yeah — that's a biggie.

Edited by Euodiachloris on Oct 6th 2019 at 11:24:36 AM

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#291673: Oct 6th 2019 at 3:56:12 PM

Fundraising of the Democratic candidates:

1. Bernie Sanders: $25.3 million

2. Elizabeth Warren: $24.6 million

3. Pete Buttigieg: $19.1 million

4. Joe Biden: $15.2 million

5. Kamala Harris: $11.6 million

6. Andrew Yang: $10 million

Everyone else raised significantly less.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#291674: Oct 6th 2019 at 4:01:28 PM

Sanders’ total is particularly impressive because 99% were from people who donated less than $100. He’s funding this entirely from the grassroots. He has 1.4 million donations to Warren’s 943 thousand.

Edited by Galadriel on Oct 6th 2019 at 7:05:11 AM

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#291675: Oct 6th 2019 at 4:02:15 PM

Really surprised Biden hasn't raised more.

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