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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#291601: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:28:56 AM

The only thing the President has any real direct control over is foreign policy.

Otherwise they need an executive order to enact any policy changes and those can be overridden by Congress.

There no "monarchy aspects", the President as a position is quite powerless in terms of direct legislative impact.

Edited by LeGarcon on Oct 5th 2019 at 1:31:38 PM

Oh really when?
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#291602: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:32:56 AM

[up][up] You can’t “purge political bias”. Surely you can hear how bad that sounds. Government employees are legally permitted whatever bias they’d like, so long as they do their jobs. There are already systems in place to punish them when they don’t.

Purges based on political alignment are doomed from the very start. Purges in general are an almost complete waste of your time. And I think we both know what the implication as to who this “purge” should target is.

And those suggestions for the presidency are just silly. High crimes and misdemeanors is already defined, and the issue isn’t the president having unilateral control of the Executive branch. Those suggestions seem based on a misunderstanding of divisions of power and the role of the Executive.

Edited by archonspeaks on Oct 5th 2019 at 10:35:00 AM

They should have sent a poet.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#291603: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:35:15 AM

There are some quirks that could benefit from being ironed out, the fact that the president can veto the congressional veto of an emergency declaration is just silly.

There are already systems in place to punish them when they don’t.

Those systems aren’t up to scratch, Comey is living proof of that.

Edited by Silasw on Oct 5th 2019 at 5:36:05 PM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#291604: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:37:45 AM

Yeah, the issue isn't so much the scope of the President's powers, but that the Republicans are stonewalling any Congressional attempts to actually utilize the legislature's abilities to reign him in.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#291605: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:38:58 AM

Um... maybe google "functions of government" before deciding what is and isn't pertinent to monarchs vs presidents, yes?

Take the UK — we functionally have two leaders: the monarch and the Prime Minister. Between them, they split the exact same powers your government splits between the president, the supreme court and congress (even down to how we compartmentalize departments of government, often enough — different labels; same jobs).

Our head of state is the queen. The head of government is functionally the PM, who runs it (and the treasury) on behalf of the queen, but is not selected by the queen (it used to be a different story).

And, no: not a figurehead. She appoints ambassadors, judges and technically everybody who ranks up enough in the forces into appointable positions.

What she doesn't do is run government, set governmental agendas, dictate policy or appoint parliamentary or treasury positions (minus the House of Lords — that's a bit different).

Edited by Euodiachloris on Oct 5th 2019 at 6:51:24 PM

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#291606: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:44:22 AM

[up][up][up] I mean, I’d argue that the situation with Comey was highly unusual and its outcome doesn’t really mean there’s an issue with “the system”, but I can see why people would want him punished.

I’d also point out that if there is an issue with that system, it doesn’t have anything to do with the Constitution, or require anything as absurd as a purge.

Edited by archonspeaks on Oct 5th 2019 at 10:45:12 AM

They should have sent a poet.
TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#291607: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:50:15 AM

(doing an extensive google search)

Okay...I see.

It's not the Constitution that's flawed...but the GOP or more precisely, the people currently in it, that's to be blamed.

I apologize for the previous posts then.

Any ideas on how to deal with that stonewall?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#291608: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:51:50 AM

Vote them out, that's literally all we can do.

This is what happens when Republicans win elections and we don't vote.

Oh really when?
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#291609: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:53:25 AM

[up][up]Sorry about giving you the nightmare fuel that is... discovering that your presidents hold way more functions in one position than our monarchs do. <roses>

Edited by Euodiachloris on Oct 5th 2019 at 6:54:18 PM

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#291610: Oct 5th 2019 at 11:06:42 AM

[up]X4 Recent gerrymandering stuff has meant that we do genuinely need a constitutional amendment to mandate free and fair elections (the Supreme Court has ruled construction does not require that election be free and fair), now that’s not a direct result of Trump, but it ties into him and how he’s been trying to rig 2020.

Likewise making financial disclosure mandatory might well require an amendment.

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#291611: Oct 5th 2019 at 11:27:10 AM

[up] Actually, the Court ruled that Congress does have the power to determine election laws, including laws on Gerrymandering; same with State Governments. So while the Constitution doesn't give the Supreme Court the right to rule on matters of Elections, it does give Congress and the States the power to make sure Elections are free and fair (as well as not free and unfair).

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#291612: Oct 5th 2019 at 11:34:27 AM

Actually, the Court ruled that Congress does have the power to determine election laws, including laws on Gerrymandering; same with State Governments. So while the Constitution doesn't give the Supreme Court the right to rule on matters of Elections, it does give Congress and the States the power to make sure Elections are free and fair (as well as not free and unfair).

Let's make one thing clear, the Supreme Court decided that the Supreme Court does not have the power to make sure that elections are free and fair. That is not the same thing as the Constitution deciding it.

But yes, you're correct that state governments and the legislature can fight it. Theoretically at least.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#291613: Oct 5th 2019 at 11:34:48 AM

This is why North Carolina got its gerrymandered districts ruled unconstitutional by the state's supreme court. Free and fair is a requirement under North Carolina's constitution and the Republicans admitted they had drawn the map to give them overwhelming advantages.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#291614: Oct 5th 2019 at 10:24:44 PM

How come conspiracy theories are saying that George Bush Sr was involved with LBJ in the Kennedy assassination. I get LBJ, but adding Bush because he later got into the CIA(but not for some time) and was Texan, but that all seems a stretch to demonize the Bushes. It's "Ted Cruz's dad was involved in the Kennedy assassination" levels of dumb, but not "Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer" levels of dumb(for start, the Zodiac Killer was active before Cruz was born)

Imca (Veteran)
#291615: Oct 5th 2019 at 11:09:23 PM

Because there are conspericy theroies that the moon is a mind control hologram initiated by president Obama....

They dont exactly have to make sense. ._.;

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#291616: Oct 5th 2019 at 11:24:28 PM

If Youtube videos on Kennedy's death is anything to go by, this is one of the more common theories, which is why I'm asking about it

TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#291617: Oct 5th 2019 at 11:43:49 PM

Probably not Dubya Senior or Junior (because both are terrible shots), but I'm willing to bet good money it was the Mafia.

Then again, that's just me.

Edited by TechPriest90 on Oct 5th 2019 at 2:44:48 PM

I hold the secrets of the machine.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#291618: Oct 5th 2019 at 11:55:26 PM

Pretty much every JFK conspiracy theory is stupid as hell. They are partly rooted in people not really wanting to believe it was simply a matter of a lone bitter angry man with a gun. They need to believe that the death of someone as important as a POTUS has to have more meaning behind it.

Edited by M84 on Oct 6th 2019 at 2:57:16 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#291619: Oct 6th 2019 at 12:01:38 AM

No, no, we all know that JFK was assassinated by Moon Nazis.

The real purpose of the Apollo landings were to destroy the Nazi moon bases, with faked footage to make it look like a flag-and-footsteps mission. The program ended early when the Astronauts destroyed every last Nazi Moon base quicker than expected, especially when Ronald Evans stabbed a spider tank (controlled by Hitler's brain in a jar) with an American flag.

Leviticus 19:34
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#291620: Oct 6th 2019 at 2:40:01 AM

[up][up]If that's the case, why aren't there more conspiracy theories about the Lincoln assassination? Ironically, his was the only presidential assassination who's killer wasn't working alone-Booth had guys to go after the vice president and secretary of state, and to help the getaway.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#291621: Oct 6th 2019 at 2:51:54 AM

[up]Who says there aren't plenty of conspiracy theories revolving around Lincoln's assassination?

Edited by M84 on Oct 6th 2019 at 5:53:16 PM

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TechPriest90 Servant of the Omnissiah from Collegia Titanica, Mars, Sol System Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Servant of the Omnissiah
#291622: Oct 6th 2019 at 2:52:03 AM

[up]x3 You sure that isn't the plot for the new Iron Sky sequel?[lol]

Edited by TechPriest90 on Oct 6th 2019 at 5:52:23 AM

I hold the secrets of the machine.
TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#291623: Oct 6th 2019 at 2:55:53 AM

The point is, Conspiracy-theories are just plain stupid, due to being born from the desire of insignificant people who have never accomplished anything in life, trying to accomplish something by being "the first" with anything, even creating nonsense about something else, just for the right and self-serving satisfaction of "being smarter than anyone else" doing so.

However, when people with power, people who can do serious harm with it, starts believing them, then things starts to get dangerous and serious, as the current president demonstrates just fine with some fuel to the fire from his ghoul lawyer Rudy and daily overdose of Fox News.

It's all just distraction from reality, nothing else.

—-

That said, if Trump got re-elected for a second term, what would be the full-scale damage be to the country and the world at large if he were to be allowed to carry on as he has for the last three years?

Would the US survive that or not?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#291624: Oct 6th 2019 at 3:00:40 AM

[up]That's just doomsaying speculation. It's not even 2020 yet — we're over a year away from Election Day.

Disgusted, but not surprised
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#291625: Oct 6th 2019 at 3:03:25 AM

What's survive even supposed to mean?

Oh really when?

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